CLC 3200 heavy paper half speed problem

[victor]

Hi everyone,

I seem to have an issue with the above machine. It prints fine when copying or printing onto plain paper, but when using heavy paper the density becomes much heavier, text becomes thicker and not as sharp and the colour becomes much darker.

I calibrated the machine to heavy paper from the machine, and the c1 is calibrated using colorcal.

The same symptoms happen from copy bed, and through the c1.

I am not a professional and would appreciate any help with this issue.

Thanks
Victor

[SCREWTAPE]

	Quote:			Originally Posted by victor
	Hi everyone, I seem to have an issue with the above machine. It prints fine when copying or printing onto plain paper, but when using heavy paper the density becomes much heavier, text becomes thicker and not as sharp and the colour becomes much darker. I calibrated the machine to heavy paper from the machine, and the c1 is calibrated using colorcal. The same symptoms happen from copy bed, and through the c1. I am not a professional and would appreciate any help with this issue. Thanks Victor

There a couple of things to keep in mind about the IRC3200 and before I add solutions I would like to explain further reasons why such things happen.

1. Its business color.
2. Its not for graphics.
3. Maintenance.

When you say, you calibrated the machine, do you mean auto gradation??
selecting full adjust> heavy, for heavy paper.

Afterwards you calibrate the C1 imagepass.
That would be the correct way to calibrate.

Are you using the stack bypass?
Is the heavy paper within spec?

When you set the machine up to print on heavy paper the machine slows down for fusing purposes. There is a down sequence mode when the machine is printing, if i remember, after about 200 sheets the machine slows down for.

1. To prevent user from overheating.
2. Image quality.

If your copies show a high density usage there are some things you can do in colorwise tools, check the manual.

What about the drum life?
How many copies are on the 3200?
Do you have a service contract with anyone.

Parts and maintenance are a must if you want decent copies.
Firmware updates are important as well.

I know you say your not a tech and I gave you some fine points about this model. It would be wise to have a tech look at the machine, let them point out some things that they see for you problem. If what they say falls within the guide lines that I mention about this type of problem, then at least you know the tech is looking in that right place and proves to know what he's doing.

[Oze]

Also remember...gloss paper won't run at all on the iRC3200 series...it will hit the fuser and peel off.
Screwtape is correct is saying that you need to perform the autograd on the same type of paper you intend to run the job on.
Also that heavy stock must be fed via the stack bypass but bear in mind if your stock is coated at all this could be the source of your issues.

[BSDirect]

Hi,
Just following on from Oze comment on the gloss paper.
Wondering if ye could help me out. I am looking at an IRc3200 and don't know a lot about it. The customer is trying to run gloss through it and as you rightly pointed out it is bubbling. Is there any gloss that will run through the irc3200? do they have to go up to a certain weight or do they have to scource a paper that is only one side gloss (not sure even if a paper exists. I tried to lower the fuser temp to the lowest by using on screen selection asI don't want to mess around with it too much as the also run board through it as well. It seems like the gloss paper is like 2 seperate sheets stuck together and when it hits the fuser they seperate. that why I was thinking only one side gloss so that maybe the rough side would be able to absorb the heat a bit more. can ye let me know what you think

[serginho_vl]

I haven't used glossy paper on Canon 3220, but I've used it a lot on Konica Minolta (C250, C252, CF2002).
I use Offset type glossy paper coated on both sides - it looks like 2 sheets of plastic glued togeter, that I buy from a printing house.
Here's what I do:
- if it's 250 gsm/m glossy paper, I tell the machine its 160 gsm/m (I go down a notch) - on Minolta, instead of thick paper 3 I go to thick paper 2 (on Canon I believe it's "heavy")
- if it's 200 gsm/m paper, I tell the machine it's 120 (thick2 to thick 1)
When the machines I have were "younger", they used to run even 150 gsm/m glossy (I set the machine for plain paper), but now the fusers have been reset, so they work hotter, because of they are a bit worn out.
If it still burns the paper you can go lower (at 250 gsm/m you set thick 1) I woudn't go any lower than thick 1. You have a better chance of it working if the paper is thicker, so try using 250gsm/m type.
If the toner is not fixed when you make this attempts, you can clean the machine by running 10 copies with no original on the glass (white copies).

That's what I do on Minoltas. On the other hand, a friend of mine put some t-shirt transfer paper in a CLC3200 and RUINED the fuser... so be carefull.

[mrfixit51]

	Quote:			Originally Posted by BSDirect
	Hi, Just following on from Oze comment on the gloss paper. Wondering if ye could help me out. I am looking at an IRc3200 and don't know a lot about it. The customer is trying to run gloss through it and as you rightly pointed out it is bubbling. Is there any gloss that will run through the irc3200? do they have to go up to a certain weight or do they have to scource a paper that is only one side gloss (not sure even if a paper exists. I tried to lower the fuser temp to the lowest by using on screen selection asI don't want to mess around with it too much as the also run board through it as well. It seems like the gloss paper is like 2 seperate sheets stuck together and when it hits the fuser they seperate. that why I was thinking only one side gloss so that maybe the rough side would be able to absorb the heat a bit more. can ye let me know what you think

I have seen it,,, it resembles a soda cracker. I just advised my customer that it was not supported by Canon, as verified by a phone call to the TSC, and I could do nothing to make it run as they wanted it to. That paper I believe is really designed to be run in an offset press. It is in fact a sandwich of paper, and the heat and pressure of the fuser seperate them in places, causing the blisters.

[BSDirect]

Thanks For the information guy's, will inform them that it can't run gloss, probably the safest.

Thanks again.

[smiley]

hi guys you can run mat paper insted of glosy paper they wont get bubbles.i also used krom coate paper in 3200.evrythings work good but not in c2s type of paper.fuji and bizhub machines work good in this type of papers.i love 3200. best color copier for me.

[Oze]

Yes..Matt offset will run fine for most GSM but gloss stock is a definite no go.
You CAN get single sided gloss but it won't work in the 3200 series either...I know...I've tried.
I was actually a Tradesman Bookbinder for 30 years in a previous life so I know a fair bit about paper types

[smiley]

hi guys we now get a try in c2s 120 it got no bubbles even you do a 2sided copies in 3200.try it guys it realy works.c2s are whiter than mat papers.