iR-c3200 - Colors out of alignment.

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  • BillAgudelo
    Technician

    50+ Posts
    • Feb 2010
    • 83

    #1

    iR-c3200 - Colors out of alignment.

    My first thought was that the ITB was slipping. I removed it, cleaned all the rollers and the inside of the belt, put a new cleaner unit and cleaned the sensors.

    But, when I ran the test pattern (#6) the color lines in the sub-scanning direction are still about 1mm apart. (the copies look blurry)

    What else can I do?

    Thanks.

    Bill

  • android790
    Technician

    50+ Posts
    • Jul 2010
    • 63

    #2
    I know this sounds like a disney fix, but if you got nothing else, do a p-print and clear d-con. Reinput data. Reboot
    Yes, I am here to fix your machine. No, your machine went out of warranty 18 years ago.

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    • teckat
      Field Supervisor

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      • Jan 2010
      • 16083

      #3
      Originally posted by BillAgudelo
      My first thought was that the ITB was slipping. I removed it, cleaned all the rollers and the inside of the belt, put a new cleaner unit and cleaned the sensors.

      But, when I ran the test pattern (#6) the color lines in the sub-scanning direction are still about 1mm apart. (the copies look blurry)

      What else can I do?

      Thanks.

      Bill


      u need to also check the small ITB drive gear assembly on right side/ the plastic helical gear teeth edges strip & slip over drive gear= a cause of blur copies/prints-sub scan

      that gear unit below/ now has some updated gears/ tough to remove and rebuild/replace effected gears
      rail.JPG

      Swing Plate Unit
      FM3-3775-000
      new gear_3220.JPG
      GEAR_2.JPG
      Pattern Reading Assembly

      * The pattern correction data stored in the DC Controller may be corrupt. Try clearing dc-con ram. You can run a test copy to see if the dc-con clear resolved the problem prior to inputting back up data. (Be sure you have run a P-Print: Copier/Function/MiscP/P-Print prior to performing any ram clears so back up data can be reentered).

      Afterward- Run a Test print type 6 / check grid lines


      You may have to remove this unit and re-align
      **Knowledge is time consuming, exhausting and costly for a trained Tech.**

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      • Gerhard
        Technician

        50+ Posts
        • Oct 2009
        • 99

        #4
        Hi Bill

        All the responses are textbook material and brilliant!! The only thing is that this is a common problem on those machines. I get it frequently and I do the same as you did. What is your durabilitys on the ITB belt. (maybe streched) Try swopping out with a working unit.

        Regards

        Gerhard
        sigpic

        Life is a Journey enjoy the ride !!!

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        • SCREWTAPE
          East Coast Imaging

          Site Contributor
          2,500+ Posts
          • Jan 2009
          • 3396

          #5
          Your lasers my need to be manually reset back to home position.

          Also make sure your firmware is up to date.

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          • teckat
            Field Supervisor

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            • Jan 2010
            • 16083

            #6
            Bill, This is what SCREWTAPE is talking about below>>>>>
            it is usually done for paper feed issues

            PG_10.JPG
            PG_1_10.JPG

            Color Mis-Registration in the main scanning (front to rear) direction due to Laser Cam Out-of-
            Alignment Condition:
            1.Remove the 4 laser units from the machine.
            2.Remove the laser cover to expose the lens.
            3.Adjust the cammed gear until it is at its center position.
            4.Reassemble the laser unit and reinstall in the machine.
            5.Turn on the power and once again try PG Type 6 and PG Type 10.
            3200_LASER.JPG
            Laser with Cover removed above
            Laser cover.JPG


            3200_Laser gear.JPG
            **Knowledge is time consuming, exhausting and costly for a trained Tech.**

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            • mrfixit51
              Lead Service Technician

              1,000+ Posts
              • Oct 2008
              • 1975

              #7
              Lets not forget the drive gear that is pinned to the ITB drive roller shaft. This is where I have seen most of the wear. Lightly holding onto the drive roller try twisting the gear back and forth, there should be no play in that gear, if there is replace it, and follow the previous instructions to do a DC-Con clear, and re-input the settings from your previously generated p-print.


              FU3-0266-040 Gear on ITB

              FU3-0546-000 Single gear in cluster

              FG6-9662-000 Swing gear cluster asm
              "Once a King, always a King, but once a Knight is enough!"

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              • teckat
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                • Jan 2010
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                #8
                Good point mrfixit51 on that ITB Gear,

                Swing Guide pics & parts above
                / advise to Bill~ that swing guide gear is a pain to replace
                **Knowledge is time consuming, exhausting and costly for a trained Tech.**

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                • mrfixit51
                  Lead Service Technician

                  1,000+ Posts
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 1975

                  #9
                  Originally posted by teckat
                  Swing Guide pics & parts above / advise to Bill~ that swing guide gear is a pain to replace
                  I am in agreement, my technique is to ensure I have a rag under that area when I am trying to fit the pin in the shaft, as I usually drop it at least once while try to reassemble the swing gear assembly on the shaft. I have used whiteout inline with the pin slot in the gear so I can more easily line the pin and gear up on that shaft.
                  "Once a King, always a King, but once a Knight is enough!"

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                  • teckat
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                    • Jan 2010
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by mrfixit51
                    I am in agreement, my technique is to ensure I have a rag under that area when I am trying to fit the pin in the shaft, as I usually drop it at least once while try to reassemble the swing gear assembly on the shaft. I have used whiteout inline with the pin slot in the gear so I can more easily line the pin and gear up on that shaft.
                    good point>
                    I use some chewing gum/ works great when setting any metal pin
                    /
                    try it, use a small amount on tip & push in/never falls out
                    **Knowledge is time consuming, exhausting and costly for a trained Tech.**

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                    • Victor285
                      Technician

                      50+ Posts
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 61

                      #11
                      Transfer Belt Rib_ roller position

                      Did you look when you replaced the Transfer Belt that the belt did not ride up on the rib?? I have had the same issue and found that this correCanon_Irc3200_Transfer Belt Vs Rib.pdfcted the instances for me. Thx, Victor285
                      Last edited by Victor285; 08-25-2010, 08:31 PM. Reason: Add attachment

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                      • teckat
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                        #12
                        Think Bill has>GoneFishing2.jpg
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                        • Van Steal
                          Trusted Tech

                          100+ Posts
                          • Apr 2008
                          • 177

                          #13
                          Originally posted by teckat
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                          Don't think Bill likes to get back with the final result

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                          • mrfixit51
                            Lead Service Technician

                            1,000+ Posts
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 1975

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Van Steal
                            Don't think Bill likes to get back with the final result
                            We may be "Preaching to the choir" then ;-)
                            "Once a King, always a King, but once a Knight is enough!"

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                            • badboys
                              Technician
                              • Oct 2010
                              • 69

                              #15
                              Check for its lifespan>service mode>copier>counter>drbl-1> if the trf_belt hits 100% or above, replace it. Lifespan of a single belt=300k. Had encounter similar problem recently with some refurbished set....good luck & cheers.

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