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    Question IR C3380i won't acknowledge black drum

    IR C3380i won't acknowledge black drum. I heard that a software update is indicated. Does anyone know where I can download the Firmware?

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    Re: IR C3380i won't acknowledge black drum

    Quote Originally Posted by flbp View Post
    IR C3380i won't acknowledge black drum. I heard that a software update is indicated. Does anyone know where I can download the Firmware?
    ______*_*

    First check_
    If he problem could be related to a broken, loose, or missing drive drum coupling.
    Remove Drums to inspect inside cavity.

    Note:
    Do not replace drum units with new ones unnecessarily, in order to check function operations during service, etc. The device blows the drum fuse as soon as it detects a new drum unit and resets the drum life counter to 0. Even if the old drum is replaced immediately, the drum life counter will increment as a new drum unit.

    In Service Mode COPIER>FUNCTION>INSTALL >AINR-OFF invalidates drum initialization that is performed when a new drum unit is installed. Also, the fuse is not blown, as it would usually be after drum initialization is complete.
    This mode would be used to replace a drum unit temporarily in order to check image quality, for example trying to trace the cause of the problem.
    0: Initialization carried out for new unit. Fuse blown (Default)
    1.: No initialization for new unit. Fuse not blown.

    Further, this service mode should be set to [1] only when necessary for service. After the service is complete the setting must always be returned to [0].


    See link below__*
    IRC3580I


    In this case the drum drive coupling was dislodged from the black drum drive shaft. This prevented the drum from rotating and caused the machine to display that the drum was not installed.


    *******************
    Insert Black Drum' Message Does Not Clear
    Problem :
    Replacing the black drum has no effect.

    :-|
    In several cases replacing the ITB assembly corrected the message.
    The part number for the ITB assembly is FM2-5522-030
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    Re: IR C3380i won't acknowledge black drum

    Quote Originally Posted by flbp View Post
    IR C3380i won't acknowledge black drum. I heard that a software update is indicated. Does anyone know where I can download the Firmware?
    Hope this helps...



    Service Bulletin
    Issued by Canon Europa N.V.
    Copier Color
    HARDWARE


    Location:
    ITB assembly


    Subject:
    Prevention of the display 'Insert drum cartridge' from
    being wrongly displayed in low-temperature environment


    Detail:
    <Symptom>
    Before the value of DRM-Life of the drum cartridge
    [1] reaches 100, the message
    'Insert drum cartridge' is
    wrongly displayed.
    (Conditions of possible frequent occurrence)
    a. Low temperature, low humidity environment (approx. less than 15 deg C/50%)
    b. The value of Life of the ITB unit is over 50%
    (Mechanism of detecting pres
    ence/absence of the drum)
    1. Detect whether the current of the primary transfer roller [3] of the
    ITB unit [2] is not lower than the lower
    limit and implement the detection of drum rotation.
    Detection timing: 1. When turning on the power of the
    machine/2. When starting
    up from Sleep mode/3. When
    opening/closing the front door of the machine
    2. Detect whether the charging cu
    rrent of the drum cartridge [1] is not lower than the lower limit.
    <Causes>
    In the case that the resistance of the in
    ternal primary transfer ro
    ller [3] is higher, as well as long period of use
    of the ITB unit [2], the current of th
    e primary transfer roller
    [3] may be lower than the lower limit and cause
    wrong display.

    <Factory Measures>
    The version of Dcon is upgraded to v61.01.
    (Change in software)
    The function of detecting drum rotation in the abovementioned 'Mechanism of detecting presence/absence of
    the drum' 1. is eliminated.
    Servicing Work:
    To prevent the symptom abovementioned, upgrade Dcon to v61.01 or later.

    Affected Machines:




    iR C3580 100V : CZG00356 and later
    iR C3580F 100V : CZH10310 and later
    iR C3080 100V : DBC01020 and lateriR C3080F 100V : DBD16688 and later
    iR C2550F 100V : DBZ26485 and later
    Color iR C3480 UL 120V : CZJ02536 and later
    Color iR C3480i UL 120V : CZK06284 and later
    iR C3580i 120V TW : DAH00067 and later
    Color iR C3080 UL 120V : DBE02679 and later
    Color iR C3080i UL 120V : DBF06272 and later
    iR C3080i 120V TW : DBW00029 and later
    Color iR C2550 UL 120V : DCA07219 and later
    iR C2550i 120V TW : DCM00120 and later
    iR C3580i 220V CN : DAZ00116 and later
    iR C3580i 220V KR : DBB00112 and later
    iR C3080i 220V CN : DBX00158 and later
    iR C3080i 220V KR : DBY00217 and later
    iR C2550i 220V CN : DCP00280 and later
    iR C2550i 220V KR : DCQ01165 and later
    iR C3580i 230V EUR : CZS00390 and later
    iR C3580i 230V EUR : CZT11323 and later
    iR C3580 230V : CZU00013 and later
    iR C3580i 230V : CZY01355 and later
    iR C3580i 230V AU : CZZ01543 and later
    iR C3080i 230V EUR : DBM00599 and later
    iR C3080i 230V EUR : DBN20661 and later
    iR C3080 230V : DBT00013 and later
    iR C3080i 230V : DBU01150 and later
    iR C3080i 230V AU : DBV01852 and later
    iR C2380i 230V EUR : DCF44216 and later
    iR C2550i 230V : DCK02149 and later
    iR C2550i 230V AU : DCL02258 and later




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    Re: IR C3380i won't acknowledge black drum

    Quote Originally Posted by flbp View Post
    IR C3380i won't acknowledge black drum. I heard that a software update is indicated. Does anyone know where I can download the Firmware?
    It it says replace black drum replace the transfer belt unit. Sounds wierd but a bushing gets cracked. The new style drive bushing is metal.

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    Re: IR C3380i won't acknowledge black drum

    Goofy way to detect drum on these machines...measures primary charging AC bias. Before newer firmware came out you had to replace itb assembly. Firmware will fix it..if not clean itb contacts or replace it. Like I said, goofy design
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    Re: IR C3380i won't acknowledge black drum

    Latest Firmware_

    System Software v95.01.01 V3
    BootROM v76.01
    Language v95.01 (JEFIGS)*
    RUI v91.01 (JEFIGS)*
    MEAP v93.01
    Pre Install App v3.40 SDL v1.15.0 v1.15.1 (E)* (EFIG)*
    SSO v3.10.0 v3.10.1 (E)* (EFIG)*
    Portal Service v2.1.2
    Security Agent v3.0.1
    DCON v66.02
    RCON v52.01
    CIS v2.03 CCD
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    Re: IR C3380i won't acknowledge black drum

    hi,

    had this a few times, can be a pain. Ive got past it by cleaning the laser dust proof glass, either with the wand or manually, mostly to over come this, flash the machine with the latest firmware and it will recognise the drum. Most of our machines of this type are all upgraded now and very rarely see it.

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