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    C454e 20 amps

    Hey everybody.
    I looked though previous post but was unable to find anything related to this.
    We recently picked up a used C454e that has a 20 amp plug on it. The question I have is, can this be converted to 15 amp?
    The newest models in this series are 15 amp so, what would be involved in converting this?
    It generally isn't a deal breaker, but, it makes it a little easier to sell.
    Thanks

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    Re: C454e 20 amps

    So you'd like your C454e to draw less amperage ? Is that correct? =^..^=
    If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
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    5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

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    Re: C454e 20 amps

    Quote Originally Posted by blackcat4866 View Post
    So you'd like your C454e to draw less amperage ? Is that correct? =^..^=
    I sense judgment in that question. lol
    The reason I ask is because there is only one fuser listed for this machine. Not one for the 20amp and one for the 15 amp. The fuser would be the largest draw and if fusers are the same there shouldn't be much of a difference between the two.
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    Re: C454e 20 amps

    one would think they did it that way at first for a reason then possibly redesigned the power

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    Re: C454e 20 amps

    Well, Ohm's Law states that: P=IV. Since the power in watts must stay the same, to have a lower value of current you'll have to have a higher value of voltage (in theory, anyway).

    As is, 2000 watts = 16.66 amps * 120 volts

    If you would like it to draw 15A, 2000 watts = 15 amps * 130.33 volts
    So you'll (in theory) have to provide 130.33 volts AC.

    I suspect that your power supply, will not like running on 130.33 volts AC

    If you don't mind overloading your 15A circuit, you can make up a special surge suppressor with a NEMA 5-20R receptacle, with a NEMA 5-15P plug. You may have a wide variety of jamming and error codes, and you might find the plug chopped off your device if it's seen by a fire inspector.

    I strongly discourage you from doing anything like this. Do not do this. =^..^=
    If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
    1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
    2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
    3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
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    5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

    blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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    Re: C454e 20 amps

    Quote Originally Posted by blackcat4866 View Post
    Well, Ohm's Law states that: P=IV. Since the power in watts must stay the same, to have a lower value of current you'll have to have a higher value of voltage (in theory, anyway).

    As is, 2000 watts = 16.66 amps * 120 volts

    If you would like it to draw 15A, 2000 watts = 15 amps * 130.33 volts
    So you'll (in theory) have to provide 130.33 volts AC.

    I suspect that your power supply, will not like running on 130.33 volts AC

    If you don't mind overloading your 15A circuit, you can make up a special surge suppressor with a NEMA 5-20R receptacle, with a NEMA 5-15P plug. You may have a wide variety of jamming and error codes, and you might find the plug chopped off your device if it's seen by a fire inspector.

    I strongly discourage you from doing anything like this. Do not do this. =^..^=
    Thanks for the lesson in electrical theory. I do know this. It was just the fact of the fusers being the same prompted me to ask.

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    Re: C454e 20 amps

    I remember the reason for the 20 Amp plug was due to the current draw of the saddle stitcher and or folding unit. Many of our customers just replaced the wall outlet with a NEMA 20 and unless it had a SD unit, or the additional folding unit, we never heard any complaints. I'm also not saying this is an approved way of doing things, as simply replacing the wall outlet does not make the wiring or the breaker conform to 20 amp standards. We also had a few installs where there was no 20 amp service so things were put on hold. Couple of days later we are called to say "proceed" and found they had twisted one of the prongs on the power cord to make it fit into a NEMA 15 slot. There is a serial number cut in where the C454e was sent out with a 15amp power cord. Emujo
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    Re: C454e 20 amps

    Quote Originally Posted by emujo View Post
    I remember the reason for the 20 Amp plug was due to the current draw of the saddle stitcher and or folding unit. Many of our customers just replaced the wall outlet with a NEMA 20 and unless it had a SD unit, or the additional folding unit, we never heard any complaints. I'm also not saying this is an approved way of doing things, as simply replacing the wall outlet does not make the wiring or the breaker conform to 20 amp standards. We also had a few installs where there was no 20 amp service so things were put on hold. Couple of days later we are called to say "proceed" and found they had twisted one of the prongs on the power cord to make it fit into a NEMA 15 slot. There is a serial number cut in where the C454e was sent out with a 15amp power cord. Emujo
    Thanks for the info emujo.

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    Re: C454e 20 amps

    Quote Originally Posted by copier addict View Post
    Thanks for the info emujo.

    look at the parts bullitens for this model think you will see the change was to the dc power supply.

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    Re: C454e 20 amps

    easier to just change the outlet. $4.00 and 5 min work.
    ive changed dozens even live. sometimes its not a dedicated outlet and its easier to slap on a pair of rubber gloves and swap outlets.

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