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    C454 - Paper comes out curly (approximately from the half)


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    Re: C454 - Paper comes out curly (approximately from the half)

    Just a sudden thought, have you tried pulling the paper out when it starts to exit machine and see if it still curled. I remember on a c253 with million odd copies a few years ago at an engineering company they had a similar problem but only 2 ripples on the page and ended up being the exit tray. I ended up swapping with a different one.

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    Re: C454 - Paper comes out curly (approximately from the half)

    @ Gaffers01

    yes, I had already made this attempt. As soon as the paper become visible, I pulled it out under strong tension.
    But the paper is still curled. Thus, the possibility that the paper exit unit is the cause, is eliminated.

    @tsbservice

    yes, the distance from leading edge to the first curl is about the same on different paper formats. It is also curled from the bypass-tray.

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    Re: C454 - Paper comes out curly (approximately from the half)

    Problem solved!!!
    The cause was in the reversal unit. Unfortunately, an error encured during my first error Analysis. I had a reversal unit installed from a BH C224.
    However, this unit has a different gear (PN A161819200, 18T). The unit from BH C454 has a gear (A4FJ819200) with only 17 teeth.
    Thus, the drive roller runs too fast and causes the curles in the paper.

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    Re: C454 - Paper comes out curly (approximately from the half)

    Congratulations on finding that. Only a tech could cause that. Such problems can be very hard to track down. =^..^=
    If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
    1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
    2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
    3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
    4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
    5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

    blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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    Re: C454 - Paper comes out curly (approximately from the half)

    Quote Originally Posted by Laserbeam View Post
    Problem solved!!!
    The cause was in the reversal unit. Unfortunately, an error encured during my first error Analysis. I had a reversal unit installed from a BH C224.
    However, this unit has a different gear (PN A161819200, 18T). The unit from BH C454 has a gear (A4FJ819200) with only 17 teeth.
    Thus, the drive roller runs too fast and causes the curles in the paper.
    I tried everthing here. I am still getting that wavey print out on paper. It does not Jam just does the wavy printout. I even changed the fusing motor. The outcome is the same with the other trays on the machine.
    Last edited by Barry97; 08-11-2022 at 09:19 PM.

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    Re: C454 - Paper comes out curly (approximately from the half)

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry97 View Post
    I tried everthing here. I am still getting that wavey print out on paper. It does not Jam just does the wavy printout. I even changed the fusing motor. The outcome is the same with the other trays on the machine.
    Same procedure for you: Stop the Machiine mid-Job and check where the paper turns curly.

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    Re: C454 - Paper comes out curly (approximately from the half)

    have you made sure ALL the gears are correct on the reversal unit

    C454
    (23) - A161819600Gear 18/26T
    (18) - A161819701Gear 22/27T


    Screenshot 2022-08-12 at 10-21-41 A4FJ - C454-PM.pdf.jpgScreenshot 2022-08-12 at 10-21-29 A4FJ - C454-PM.pdf.jpg

    C454E
    (16) - A0ED811800Gear 22/23T
    (22) - A0ED813200Gear 22/26T
    Screenshot 2022-08-12 at 10-21-03 A5C0 - C454e-PM.pdf.jpgScreenshot 2022-08-12 at 10-20-37 A5C0 - C454e-PM.pdf.jpg

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    Re: C454 - Paper comes out curly (approximately from the half)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    have you made sure ALL the gears are correct on the reversal unit

    C454
    (23) - A161819600Gear 18/26T
    (18) - A161819701Gear 22/27T


    Screenshot 2022-08-12 at 10-21-41 A4FJ - C454-PM.pdf.jpgScreenshot 2022-08-12 at 10-21-29 A4FJ - C454-PM.pdf.jpg

    C454E
    (16) - A0ED811800Gear 22/23T
    (22) - A0ED813200Gear 22/26T
    Screenshot 2022-08-12 at 10-21-03 A5C0 - C454e-PM.pdf.jpgScreenshot 2022-08-12 at 10-20-37 A5C0 - C454e-PM.pdf.jpg
    I replaced the whole unit. print out still curls. There is no paper jam. While it is printing I did open to see where it starts, it happens after it passes the fusing unit.
    PXL_20220812_135425536.jpgPXL_20220812_135433609.jpg
    this is what i get.

    I checked the gears and they all are fine. No wear on them.
    Last edited by Barry97; 08-12-2022 at 06:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry97 View Post
    I replaced the whole unit. print out still curls. There is no paper jam. While it is printing I did open to see where it starts, it happens after it passes the fusing unit.
    PXL_20220812_135425536.jpgPXL_20220812_135433609.jpg
    this is what i get.

    I checked the gears and they all are fine. No wear on them.
    I even tried the firmware update. Still wavy!!!!

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    Re: C454 - Paper comes out curly (approximately from the half)

    Does it happen on all paper sizes? What size is that in your photo?

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