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    Nice! Let us know how those field trials go. =^..^=
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    Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

    Quote Originally Posted by blackcat4866 View Post
    Nice! Let us know how those field trials go. =^..^=
    Yeah sure, can do.....

    I'm already working on another design idea.
    The next design/prototype will be smaller more universal and compact to fit easier in my Tool case.

    It's all a matter of when,.... ya can't rush these things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoMatrix View Post
    It's all a matter of when,.... ya can't rush these things.
    I work out my best ideas on the long commute home. Driving occupies about 30% of my attention. The other 70% can roam freely.

    Initially I had envisioned something pliers based, but could not figure a simple way to keep the two parts aligned. Maybe something like this?:

    Pliers based Tire Press.JPG
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    Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

    Quote Originally Posted by blackcat4866 View Post
    I work out my best ideas on the long commute home. Driving occupies about 30% of my attention. The other 70% can roam freely.

    Initially I had envisioned something pliers based, but could not figure a simple way to keep the two parts aligned. Maybe something like this?:

    Pliers based Tire Press.JPG
    Thought about doing something along the lines of pliers or clamp.
    The problem is making it universal for various size feed roller plastic hubs and the diameter of the hole for the metal drive shaft. Then I would also have to carry around another bulky item in my tool case. Any more than 100yards carrying my tool case and vacuum to an office and my arm falls off.

    I have a couple of other ideas floating around up there in the neural network. If I get time I'll knock up a drawing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoMatrix View Post
    Thought about doing something along the lines of pliers or clamp.
    The problem is making it universal for various size feed roller plastic hubs and the diameter of the hole for the metal drive shaft. Then I would also have to carry around another bulky item in my tool case. Any more than 100yards carrying my tool case and vacuum to an office and my arm falls off.

    I have a couple of other ideas floating around up there in the neural network. If I get time I'll knock up a drawing.
    How about the C-clamp design with a set of different sized bottom dies the attach to the clamp like a trailer hitch (square shaft and pin or set screw)? Or perhaps that bottom die might have the ability to expand within a certain range, like a heavy duty stainless hose clamp for example? Or even better yet, what if the bottom die was hinged, two parts that could open/close by a thumb screw. Like this:

    C-clamp based Roller Press.JPG

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    Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

    Quote Originally Posted by blackcat4866 View Post
    How about the C-clamp design with a set of different sized bottom dies the attach to the clamp like a trailer hitch (square shaft and pin or set screw)? Or perhaps that bottom die might have the ability to expand within a certain range, like a heavy duty stainless hose clamp for example? Or even better yet, what if the bottom die was hinged, two parts that could open/close by a thumb screw. Like this:

    C-clamp based Roller Press.JPG

    =^..^=
    There is lots of good ideas there. I feel the G-clamp is over size an is a tad too slow when your in a hurry.
    I believe your first initial push plunger is still the quickest method, we just have to work on the die mechanics.

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    Think 4 point cone shape (eg drill chuck), when pushed into another cone shape cylinder it will close up with pressure.
    We just need to place a spring around the chuck-cone to hold all jaws insitu when you push the feed tyre into it. I have a metal picture of 3 or 4 different chuck-jaw configurations in mind.
    I feel this concept my or may not work fully. I don't know for sure until I prototype it.

    We probably don't need a cone shape for the pressure base as a normal cylinder would give the same pressure given the chuck is already cone shaped.

    Hang on while I knock up a RAG drawing........ ....... .......

    See the RAG image below:

    RollerPress2.0.jpg

    The attached image is a RAG (rough-as-guts) outline on the overall concept.
    Of coarse it's not to scale....
    Last edited by NeoMatrix; 02-15-2016 at 02:56 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoMatrix View Post
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    Think 4 point cone shape (eg drill chuck), when pushed into another cone shape cylinder it will close up with pressure.
    We just need to place a spring around the chuck-cone to hold all jaws insitu when you push the feed tyre into it. I have a metal picture of 3 or 4 different chuck-jaw configurations in mind.
    I feel this concept my or may not work fully. I don't know for sure until I prototype it.

    Hang on while I knock up a RAG drawing

    See the RAG image below:

    RollerPress2.0.jpg

    The attached image is a RAG (rough-as-guts) outline on the overall concept.
    Of coarse it's not to scale....
    I think this design will wedge the hub tightly so I won't pass through, but I see where you're coming from.

    I agree that the tube and plunger is simplest construction, but it takes some hand strength to operate it. It's also nearly the largest tool in my case. There has got to be a smaller device that uses some leverage to make it easier to operate.

    Yes I noticed that the KM-3051ci hubs are larger than the opening in my press, and are nearly as large as the tire. I don't want to risk dremelling the hole that large, and perhaps having the rubber force through. Perhaps two relatively thin forks that can slit between the end of the rubber, and the large end of the hub. Like so:

    Bottom Die Tire Press.JPG
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    Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

    I thought about two pieces of flat bar with slots that grip the rubber tyre, much the same as you have shown.

    Concept 2.1
    Here is another general concept that might work for a period of time, I don't know how long before the jaws break off. Most people should be able to construct this version as their own proof of concept.
    It just two pieces of 25mm tube, one smaller length of tube fits over top as a slip ring clamp.

    See attached image.
    RollerPress2_1.jpg

    I still have some other ideas.
    One idea is making individual custom diameter nipple/rebush dies that fit inside the main 25mm cylinder/tube.
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    Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoMatrix View Post
    I thought about two pieces of flat bar with slots that grip the rubber tyre, much the same as you have shown.

    Concept 2.1
    Here is another general concept that might work for a period of time, I don't know how long before the jaws break off. Most people should be able to construct this version as their own proof of concept.
    It just two pieces of 25mm tube, one smaller length of tube fits over top as a slip ring clamp.

    See attached image.
    RollerPress2_1.jpg

    I still have some other ideas.
    One idea is making individual custom diameter nipple/rebush dies that fit inside the main 25mm cylinder/tube.
    This could work with PVC or spring steel (much more difficult to work), but probably not aluminum (or aluminium). Aluminum is considerably more brittle and will bend and then break after only a few cycles.

    What if you took a spring wrapped clutch spring, and found a way to wrap it tighter, or unwrap it to change the diameter?

    The separate specifically sized bottom dies seem like the most practical approach. Nice artwork, by the way. =^..^=
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    Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

    Quote Originally Posted by blackcat4866 View Post
    What if you took a spring wrapped clutch spring, and found a way to wrap it tighter, or unwrap it to change the diameter?

    [snip] =^..^=
    RE: Spring clutch(see image roller_press2_1.jpg).
    The slip ring moves up and down to allow the cylinder jaws to adjust to the diameter of the feed roller.
    Instead of a slip ring you could get away with using the old rubber tyre off the roller hub.
    HP feed rollers have a double layer rubber tyre: separate the outer grey rubber roller and place that around the cylinder jaws like a rubber band.

    Re: Artwork.
    It does look alright now I've had a second look. I must be getting better at it.
    In a hurry I slammed the latest 2.1 image together in around 10 minutes.

    Re: Individual Dies
    I believe I might go with the individual rebush dies , I'll see what happens.
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