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    Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

    What do you think of this? It's so simple, and requires only minimal modification. Just grind the slot a little larger in a pair of standard hose removal pliers, and voila! I'm ordering a pair of these pliers on my next order:

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    Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

    Quote Originally Posted by blackcat4866 View Post
    What do you think of this? It's so simple, and requires only minimal modification. Just grind the slot a little larger in a pair of standard hose removal pliers, and voila! I'm ordering a pair of these pliers on my next order:

    Hose Removal Tool.JPG

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    Nice.... You may be onto a winner.
    I might play around with the same or similar idea.
    I have some high end spring steel here that just might do the job.

    The plier-tool would only work if the Feed roller has a flange on the plastic hub to lever off.
    Some ADF retard rollers do not have a flange for the pliers to lever against.
    I feel the force required to remove the old roller rubber might break the plastic hub flange.
    The test bench so far requires the tire be remove with a good firm press using both hands.

    It's worth a try though, by all means give it a go...

    Thanks for sharing.....
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    Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

    Step backwards to ProtoType 1.0

    I have been playing around with various ideas for variable size cylinder formers. Along the way I accidently discovered the whole system might probably be over-kill. I threw away the outer cylinder/tube and just used the plunger all by itself. With the use of two hands on each roller it's easy to moderate to remove any size hub away from the rubber roller without any extra effort. With the Roller Plunger tool sitting in the palm of my hand, and just using my pointer finger and thumbs of both hands, I'm able to remove the rubber tyre completely. I believe it doesn't get any more efficient than that. Plus the tool will fit easier into a tool case with out the need for extra hardware cylinder/tube or rebush fittings.

    See the attached 5 images for a Rubber Roller removal demonstration using various manufacturer Roller and Hub sizes :

    The Roller Plunger Tool by itself:
    RollerTool.JPG


    HP Tray Feed Roller:
    HP_Tray.JPG

    Ricoh ADF Rollers:
    ADF_Retard.JPG
    RicohADF.JPG

    Kyocera ADF :
    KyoceraADF.JPG

    I may need to lathe a bit more off the actual Roller-Tool second shaft at the 10mm dia step down. I need to make it longer to handle Kyocera ADF 3mm shaft and Hubs.

    Just passing the info along.

    I still have a couple of other ideas in play.......
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    Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

    That's an excellent use for opposable thumbs. I'll post back if the Hose Removal Tool works well. =^..^=
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    Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

    For those who would like to have a play around with making their own Roller Press tool.
    The following image shows a simple and cheap DIY method.
    If you have an old spent Phillip's or blade screw driver laying around, then trim the old driver down
    on both the handle and the shaft to a length of 75mm. Add a plastic( old hub) or metal sleeve 10mm x 40 mm over the shaft of the cut down driver. You should have a simple Roller Tool for quickly separating the plastic hub away from the rubber roller.

    DriverTool.png

    If you decide to make the Roller Press tool shown, then post an image of your creation to the forum. I'm interested to see what other people come up with.
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    Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

    Quote Originally Posted by blackcat4866 View Post
    What do you think of this? It's so simple, and requires only minimal modification. Just grind the slot a little larger in a pair of standard hose removal pliers, and voila! I'm ordering a pair of these pliers on my next order:

    Hose Removal Tool.JPG

    =^..^=
    I am pleased that the hose removal piers are of quite sturdy construction. I don't think that they'll work for my purposes though. There is a tube side that as slightly narrower and sharpened to an edge to grip the tube, and a hose side which is slightly larger and blunt. The two sides of the tip of the tool are a total of 5mm thick. There's no way this tool can squirm in between the edge of the hub and the rubber.

    Ampro Hose Removal Tool.jpg

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    Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

    Just flip the edge of the roller away from the hub, pour a little isopropyl on the flipped roller and the hub pushes out as easy as pie. Been doing it this way as long as I can remember.

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    Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

    Quote Originally Posted by copier addict View Post
    Just flip the edge of the roller away from the hub, pour a little isopropyl on the flipped roller and the hub pushes out as easy as pie. Been doing it this way as long as I can remember.
    I am also using this method, Thanks to you.
    I do use the Neomatrix method as well. Depends which roller is going down.

    When changing sep roller on Konica ADF or sep roll on C353 then I use the IPA method. When feeds to sleeve off on KYO machines I put IPA in between rubber and roller carrier. Press on roller as if you try to flatten the roller, this spreads the IPA across turn roller 90' and repeat press and goes down like on butter. To sleeve of new Konica roller I just use the screwdriver method with WIHA - Phillips #60. Piece of cake.


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    Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

    hi black cat ,iv tried green rollers on the a4 copiers ,was only getting about 30k,tried the orange,around 40k,was told on training course to expect about around 90k out of originals.ive found better quality paper definitely helps,most ive ever got out of a set of 3 is 700k on the a3 3005ci series ,totally flat tyre.steven irvine

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    Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

    Quote Originally Posted by copier parts n.ireland View Post
    hi black cat ,iv tried green rollers on the a4 copiers ,was only getting about 30k,tried the orange,around 40k,was told on training course to expect about around 90k out of originals.ive found better quality paper definitely helps,most ive ever got out of a set of 3 is 700k on the a3 3005ci series ,totally flat tyre.steven irvine
    I was getting less that 90K on the Kyo OEM rollers. With the orange KM rollers they'll do 300K and occasionally more. And yes, paper quality can make a huge difference, but try convincing somebody of that.

    I had a Konica Minolta FS-532 finisher punching my punch holes all over the place, like happens when the paper size sensor in the punch gets coated with dust. Three days later I got the same call. 75K more prints, same holes punched all over the place, and same layer of paper dust on the size sensors. They have the worst possible paper.

    FS532 punch paper size sensors2.JPGFS532 punch paper size sensors1.JPG

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