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    Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

    Quote Originally Posted by SalesServiceGuy View Post
    Still no proof, incidental collection.

    Incidental collection



    from NSA Glossary (2016)
    by National Security Agency Central Security Service

    "When communications of a US citizen are collected while targeting a foreigner or a US person who is believed to be involved in terrorism."

    If two terrorists of interest to a US Spy agency are recorded talking about Trump news, that is incidental collection.

    It does not mean that Trump Tower has been "wire tapped" by Obama.


    That reference is kind of weak, as this is it's current header:
    "This definition has not yet been approved by a moderator."
    Got anything better than that? If so, thanks!

    Last edited by Iowatech; 03-25-2017 at 03:37 AM. Reason: Forgot to indicate the present, sorry.

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    Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

    SO we do have evidence that Trump was being spied on, but since it's not "proof", we'll brush that under the carpet.

    However, even though there's not been a shred of evidence concerning Trump colluding with the Russians, we hear about the reports every damn day.


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    Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

    Quote Originally Posted by theengel View Post
    SO we do have evidence that Trump was being spied on, but since it's not "proof", we'll brush that under the carpet.

    However, even though there's not been a shred of evidence concerning Trump colluding with the Russians, we hear about the reports every damn day.
    Sorry, but Trump was not spied upon, but Russian communications between Trump's 'peoples' were, and that is where the investigation should be going. Left/Right, we have to get on board to correct what is corrupting our country. God save us!

    "You can't trust your eyes, if your mind is out of focus" --

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    Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

    Sorry, but Trump was not spied upon, but Russian communications between Trump's 'peoples' were, and that is where the investigation should be going.
    How do you know that?


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    Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

    NSA's Activities: Valid Foreign Intelligence Targets Are the Focus

    October 31, 2013

    Recent press articles on NSA's collection operations conducted under Executive Order 12333 have misstated facts, mischaracterized NSA's activities, and drawn erroneous inferences about those operations. NSA conducts all of its activities in accordance with applicable laws, regulations, and policies – and assertions to the contrary do a grave disservice to the nation, its allies and partners, and the men and women who make up the National Security Agency.
    All NSA intelligence activities start with a validated foreign intelligence requirement, initiated by one or more Executive Branch intelligence consumers, and run through a process managed by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. When those requirements are received by NSA, analysts look at the Information Need and determine the best way to satisfy it. That process involves identifying the foreign entities that have the information, researching how they communicate, and determining how best to access those communications in order to get the foreign intelligence information. The analysts identify selectors – e-mail addresses and phone numbers are examples – that help isolate the communications of the foreign entity and task those to collection systems. In those cases where there are not specific selectors available, the analysts will use metadata, similar to the address on the outside of an envelope, to attempt to develop selectors for their targets. Once they have them, they task the selectors to the collection systems in order to get access to the content, similar to the letter inside the envelope.
    The collection systems target communications links that contain the selectors, or are to and from areas likely to contain the selectors, of foreign intelligence interest. Seventy years ago, the communications links were shortwave radio transmissions between two points on the globe. Today's communications flow over technologies like satellite links, microwave towers, and fiber optic cables. Terrorists, weapons proliferators, and other valid foreign intelligence targets make use of commercial infrastructure and services. When a validated foreign intelligence target uses one of those means to send or receive their communications, we work to find, collect, and report on the communication. Our focus is on targeting the communications of those targets, not on collecting and exploiting a class of communications or services that would sweep up communications that are not of bona fide foreign intelligence interest to us.
    What NSA does is collect the communications of targets of foreign intelligence value, irrespective of the provider that carries them. U.S. service provider communications make use of the same information super highways as a variety of other commercial service providers. NSA must understand and take that into account in order to eliminate information that is not related to foreign intelligence.
    NSA works with a number of partners and allies in meeting its foreign-intelligence mission goals, and in every case those operations comply with U.S. law and with the applicable laws under which those partners and allies operate. A key part of the protections that are provided to both U.S. persons and citizens of other countries is the requirement that information be in support of a valid foreign intelligence requirement, and the Attorney General-approved minimization procedures. These limitations protect the privacy of all people, and in particular, to any incidentally acquired communications of U.S. persons. The protections are applied when selectors are tasked to the collection system; when the collection itself occurs; when the collected data are being processed, evaluated, analyzed, and put into a database; and when any reporting of the foreign intelligence is being done. In addition, NSA is very motivated and actively works to remove as much extraneous data as early in the process as possible – to include data of innocent foreign citizens.
    Date Posted: May 3, 2016 | Last Modified: May 3, 2016

    https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/pr...-Targets.shtml




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    Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

    Quote Originally Posted by copyman View Post
    This really sucks. The Repubs had 7 years to work on a new health care plan and they came up with that slop! A watered down version of Obama care. It was doomed from day one. Personally I think Paul Ryan was the biggest mistake having him involved. I still think he is in bed with the dems.

    Well guess what, all the Repubs have to answer to their constituents about not repealing ObamaCare. This is what most run on and promised. Including Trump! I voted for Trump to get rid of ObamaCare because as I mentioned earlier I pay $1000 per month for single coverage! I don't even use it because of high deductible. $12,000 per year to go to doctors for yearly check up ($30 co-pay). There is no reason a person should have to pay this much money for health insurance. No pre-existing illness, etc...unless you want to consider the mental illness I will soon have because of all this crap!
    No doubt $1,000.00 per month is way too high for single coverage! Even Democrats would agree with you on that one. Should be like $1,000.00 per year.

    In your state, will you not get a big tax credit when you file your taxes?


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    Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

    You're stating departmental rules? As if that's evidence of no wrongdoing? As if that stops anyone in the executive (or any other branch) from breaking or perverting the rules? THAT's how you know Obama didn't spy on Trump?


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    Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

    President Trump will be dogged his whole presidency, by anyone and everyone that crawls from under the rock, the hate is to great and overwhelming, that normal judgement thoughts will never come to be concluded.


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    Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

    Quote Originally Posted by theengel View Post
    You're stating departmental rules? As if that's evidence of no wrongdoing? As if that stops anyone in the executive (or any other branch) from breaking or perverting the rules? THAT's how you know Obama didn't spy on Trump?
    The way I understand it, Trumps wasn't wiretapped. He was talking to someone who was under investigation and being wiretapped. Kinda makes you wonder why Trump, or his lackies, was talking to him.
    I know!!! The Trumpers are going to say they were wiretapping Trump through someone else. Hmmmm Nah


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    Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

    Quote Originally Posted by copier addict View Post
    The way I understand it, Trumps wasn't wiretapped. He was talking to someone who was under investigation and being wiretapped. Kinda makes you wonder why Trump, or his lackies, was talking to him.
    I know!!! The Trumpers are going to say they were wiretapping Trump through someone else. Hmmmm Nah
    The facts are that they were talking to members of foreign governments as part of their previous jobs. Under current US Law, as soon as it was realized that the person the foreign official was not talking to a person under surveillance,should have been dumped.


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