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    ""undocumented DACA citizens of the USA "

    Please explain exactly what an "undocumented DACA citizens of the USA" is...?

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    ""undocumented DACA citizens of the USA "

    Please explain exactly what an "undocumented DACA citizens of the USA" is...?
    DACA is Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals. They are not citizens. Childhood arrivals are those brought into the country as children by their parents. Most of them are now adults.

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    Already many experienced Republican politicians are retiring at the earliest opportunity as they know their chances of re-election are poor.
    Only those who opposed Trump.

    I remember during the Obama administration, we were getting train loads of kids delivered to our southern border. I didn't understand it then, and no one really gave a good explanation for it. I just remember hearing that there were thousands of undocumented and unaccompanied minors coming from all over south America... and that Obama was taking them all instead of turning them around. Does any one else remember that?

    Could that be what DACA is about? Obama shipping in a huge democratic voting base for future use (both as a selling point, then as a voting base)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimslob View Post
    DACA is Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals. They are not citizens. Childhood arrivals are those brought into the country as children by their parents. Most of them are now adults.
    I know what DACA is...I'm trying to learn exactly what "undocumented DACA citizens of the USA" are. Perhaps "DACA" is a nation with it's own citizens?

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    See, I keep hearing about these "dreamers" who came here by force, and were brought by their parents. But then you have this (which is just the top three google results from my search):

    Unaccompanied Children from Central America, One Year Later | HuffPost

    The quiet crisis of Central America’s unaccompanied migrant children | Honduras | UNICEF

    70,000 Kids Will Show Up Alone at Our Border This Year. What Happens to Them? – Mother Jones

    So why are we acting like these kids were "brought" here against their will? These kids were part of a ploy. They come up and the dems let them stay. Then they bring their parents up maybe? Chain migration?

    I don't think we should let the "dreamers" stay automatically. I agree that we should have some kind of path for them, but it shouldn't be easy for them to stay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fixthecopier View Post
    I have never really spotted someone who was considered political correct, who would be thought of as racist.
    politically correct ummmm Like : Hillary Clinton ...Corrine Brown.... Nancy Pelosi .... Maxine Waters .... Van Jones ..Chuck Todd? ( just to name a few )

    I name these because of your statement " people that are smart don't claim they are " they ( above mentioned ) are always screaming racist.. but in fact hide behind the over used term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geo View Post
    ""undocumented DACA citizens of the USA "

    Please explain exactly what an "undocumented DACA citizens of the USA" is...?


    From the American Psychological Association.
    Undocumented Americans

    What is it like to grow up as an undocumented youth in America?

    In "Undocumented Americans," three undocumented youth who arrived as young children — Jong-Min, Pedro and Silvia — share their stories of how they are fighting hard to achieve their piece of the American dream. Their experiences are emblematic of the struggles of millions of undocumented children and youth in America who deal daily with isolation from peers, the struggle to pursue an education, fears of detention and deportation, and the trauma of separation from family and loved ones. This video calls for valuing the contributions of and caring for all members of our society, even those without documentation.




    Answers to Your Questions about Undocumented Youth in America

    1. How many undocumented children and youth live in America?

    There are one million children under 18i and 4.4 million under 30ii living in America out of the estimated total of 11.1 million undocumented immigrantsiii living in America. These young people are not the only ones affected by undocumented status. Nearly half of undocumented adults are parents of minorsiv, many of whom are citizens. There are an estimated 5.5 million children with at least one undocumented parent, 4.5 million of whom were born here making them U.S. citizensv. These kinds of “mixed-status” family situations are very common with an estimated nine million people living in families that contain at least one undocumented adult and one citizen childvi.
    2. How does being undocumented negatively affect well-being?

    In the video, Jong-Min, Pedro and Silvia all describe the negative impacts that their undocumented status has had on their lives. Jong-Min shared how being undocumented feels like being in an “invisible prison”. Pedro had the traumatic experience of being held in an actual prison for 24 hours for simply being found on a Greyhound bus on his way back to college.
    Silvia had to go through the ordeal of her mother trying to flee prosecution for being undocumented and having a seizure while doing so. Being undocumented has created significant obstacles for these three bright, ambitious individuals to fulfilling their hopes and dreams. And they are not alone. Many undocumented immigrant children and youth are frequently subject to experiences likevii:

    • racial profiling
    • ongoing discrimination
    • exposure to gangs
    • immigration raids in their communities
    • arbitrary stopping of family members to check their documentation status
    • being forcibly taken or separated from their families
    • returning home to find their families have been taken away
    • placement in detention camps or the child welfare system
    • deportation

    These stressful experiences can lead to a number of negative emotional and behavioral outcomes including anxiety, fear, depression, anger, social isolation and lack of a sense of belonging. And, of course, separation from their families can be particularly traumatizing for children and youth. For young children whose undocumented parents have been detained or even deported, the impact can be severe. Researchers have found that they often experience in the short term, frequent crying, withdrawal, disrupted eating and sleeping patterns, anger, anxiety and depression. Over time, these can lead to more severe issues like post-traumatic stress disorder, poor identity formation, difficulty forming relationships, feelings of persecution, distrust of institutions and authority figures, acting out behaviors and difficulties at schoolvii.
    3. What does the video tell us about what it means to be an American?

    America is a nation of immigrants. Over our history, generations of immigrants seeking a better life for themselves and their families have come to this country and made it what it is today. Pedro, Jong-Min and Silvia demonstrate traits we highly value in American society; they are all ambitious and motivated, intelligent and conscientious young people. They want to do great things and are committed to serving their communities. Jong-Min wants to become a Supreme Court justice, Pedro is a teacher and Silvia does volunteer community art work with children separated from their undocumented parents. This level of engagement and activism represents the American experience that most of us imagine. Having immigrated to the U.S. at such young ages, like so many undocumented youth, they acculturated to the same American language, culture and values that their U.S.-born peers did. However, undocumented youth in America experience a different reality — a different America. Researchvii shows that continued discrimination toward immigrants by greater society can make acculturation difficult and has negative mental health consequences (e.g., depression, anxiety and social isolation).
    4. Why should we as a society care about undocumented youth?

    We should care because their opportunities and potential for success are frequently limited, but more importantly, the discrimination, isolation and fear that they go through should not be experienced by any child or adolescent in our society. We should care because the discrimination, isolation,and fear that undocumented youth go through should not be experienced by any child or adolescent in our society. These children have limited opportunities and potential for success. Many of these youth drop out of school and become disaffected, continuing the cycle of poverty. Those who do graduate high school find access to college limited, with few choices or funding opportunities. It is difficult to pursue options for legalization, and they can’t drive, vote or fully participate in the society in which they grew up. In extreme cases, some undocumented youth become so hopeless that they turn to suicide. The detention and deportation of their parents/caregivers can be devastating. Losing their support system severely undermines their potential for future success. Our society should value their rights, mental health needs and wellbeing because it benefits all of us in the long-term. All of our society’s children should be given the opportunity to thrive and succeed regardless of their documentation status. As Silvia said “caring about this matters”. Given the challenges undocumented youth and children with undocumented parents face, showing support through mentoring or volunteer work could make all the difference.
    5. Who is to blame for putting undocumented youth in this situation?

    People come to this country for a number of reasons (i.e., search for work, family reunification and humanitarian refuge). Most often, it is to provide a better opportunity for their children and families. While some undocumented immigrants do cross the border illegally, about 40 percent are individuals who entered legally on a visa which has since expiredvii. Navigating the U.S. immigration system to gain legal status is extremely difficult. For undocumented parents, returning to their country of origin and leaving their children behind is an option that would be traumatic for all parties concerned. Reuniting with their children may take years, especially when complicated by financial hurdles and immigration regulations. The longer the separation, the more complicated the family reunification and the greater the likelihood that their children will suffer psychologically. The children caught in the middle do not deserve the negative outcomes of family separation regardless of the reasons their parents are out of status. Assigning blame is not productive. What matters most is that undocumented youth and children of undocumented parents deserve the same opportunities for health and wellbeing as any child growing up in America.

    http://www.apa.org/topics/immigratio...ted-video.aspx




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    Quote Originally Posted by theengel View Post
    I don't think we should let the "dreamers" stay automatically. I agree that we should have some kind of path for them, but it shouldn't be easy for them to stay.
    back in the early 1900's we had a system MUCH like Canada has today which required :

    Immigrants must be able to prove:

    ability to support themselves

    not a burden on our society

    be able to be a benefit to the USA with certain skills.

    Now you just have to be able to prove you are alive.

    IMHO NO ONE should be able to enter our country without proving you have the above mentioned attributes. Some want the cheep labor ... others are just worried what side you will vote for... THEY should ALL be made to " go thru the process " ... proving they really DESERVE to be here.


    BUT no one gives a damn if they are a threat or a burden on our country!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SalesServiceGuy View Post

    No gov't wants foreigners to enter their country without permission.

    so then why the big hubbub about Trumps positions on Illegals/Dreamers? I don't want people here that fight the system.... demand rights that non-criminals are afforded.... and EXPECT everything for free.

    " IF your Mom and Dad sneak you into Disney Land... Should Disney Land let you stay and ride the rides free for the rest of your life? -= OR =- Should you be required to buy ride tickets? "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geo View Post
    I know what DACA is...I'm trying to learn exactly what "undocumented DACA citizens of the USA" are. Perhaps "DACA" is a nation with it's own citizens?
    No, DACA was an Executive Order issued by President Obama to instruct the Immigration and Customs Enforcement, ICE, agency to delay taking any deportation against a certain group of illegal aliens. Officially they are citizens of the country in which they were born. FYI, illegal aliens are citizen of a foreign country, aliens, who are illegally in a country to which they are not a citizen. This can be either someone who has entered the country illegally or who after arriving legally on a visa and have either violated the terms of the visa or have over stayed the after the visa has expired, such as the 911 terrorists.

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