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    Re: Scams involving printers/copiers/fax

    Some of the "scams shams" come from legitimate companies and local gov't.
    I'll post the legal shams separate from the illegal scams

    Some illegal scams:

    o Russian Crypto locker virus aka ransome ware. (via SMB access)
    scam profit : 1x $2000, 1 x $4000

    o Online Gold Scam (here say facts)
    scam profit : 1 x $10000, 1 x $30000, 1 x $unknown (too embarassed to say)

    o Online Stock exchange buy-ware (here say facts)
    I believe the scam works by knowing all separate "specialise software" users next transactions and the parent software buys/sells ahead of it's own individual software traders.
    scam profit : 1 x $5000 (credit drained over months) 1 x $unknown(too embarrassed)
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    Re: Scams involving printers/copiers/fax

    Legal shams :

    o Legitimate Prepaid Mobile Phone sham. (Comes with a free pizza):

    Example: Customer 'A' purchases $30 prepaid phone credit for a month of voice and data usage. Customer 'A' sends 100 SMS messages per month for a total of $1.00 charge. That leaves $29.00 of pre-paid phone credit still available at the end of the month. Access to all promised extra services an available phone credit is totally removed by the phone company at the end of each month. Credit rollover althought now allowed, Customer 'A' is prohibited from rolling over his previous credit by purchasing "only $1" of credit from the phone company. To allow full previous month credit rollover, Customer 'A' must again purchase a full block of $30 phone credit to be able to use his mobile phone for the current month.

    At the end of a 12 month pre-paid period customer 'A' has been effectively robbed of approximately $350 in paid for services. After 10 years customer 'A' has paid ~$3500 for undelivered phone services. Multiplied customer 'A' by 10,000 customers, would approximate to $3.5m per year in undelivered phone services. Not to mention undelivered voice and SMS services to customers who's pre-paid phone credit has lapsed and is not paid upto date. (I feel for elderly pensioners here.)

    The phone company will fail to deliver SMS/MMS messages to any lasped pre-paid phone number after a set period. The phone company will also debit the account of the customer who paid and sent the data to the lapsed pre-paid phone number. Charging customers for any type of undelivered services is illegal. Undelivered paid for phone services is equivalent to a postman throwing snail-mail in the rubbish bin because he couldn't find the customers mail box. Customers who fail to purchase a "full $30/month" pre-paid phone plan will have their pre-paid service debited at an additional higher rate, thereby forcing another pre-paid credit purchase before end of the month. Which effectively enforces "the minimum $30/month" profit rate from every customer. The sale of pre-paid phone credit without the phone company delivering the paid for service is illegal larceny. A customer should be able to pre-purchase phone credit and use that credit over "any time period", and that credit should not be zero out at the end of each month for corporate profit. These phone companies are charging those same customers for a paper bill verses electronic bill accounting, along with extra hidden charges for paying by cash verses EFT.
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    Re: Scams involving printers/copiers/fax

    Legal shams local gov't...

    o Pay Before Time Sham (aka Poor Tax)
    It is fast becoming common practice for local govt's to use the "pay before time" incentive on bills and payments. Anyone that has received a housing rates or vehicle registration bill would have read the incentive to pay before the end of the billing period to recieve a discount on the given bill. The problem exists when the customers cannot pay the given bill by the end of the accounting period.

    Example:
    Customer 'A' an upper middle income citizen will pay thier account on time every time and receive the discount on offer. Customer 'Z' a lower income citizen will be unable to pay their account on time and will be slugged with the extra amount.

    Some simple profit math:
    Customer 'Z' (higher amount)
    minus
    Customer 'A' (lower amount)
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    = Poor Tax paid by Customer 'Z'.
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    Customer 'Z' thereby funded/subsidised Customer 'A' for the privilege of being wealthier than himself. It is my understanding that a "poor tax" (or morally subsidising the rich) is illegal in most democratic countries. Taking from the poor and giving to the rich, the above has no other interpretation.

    The above legitimate sham, if left without proper law, can esculate to private sectors who can compound charge over and above the discount rate on offer. Those unscrupulous businesses can move the goal post on any billing/repayment schedule.





    Aside.
    A financial world governed by sole customer automated EFT debiting/billing, would be a world filled with corporate temptation and profit before people services. Machines are created in this world to serve people, not people born into this world to serve machines. If every business demaned automated EFT as the only payment method; every person would be enslaved to a corporate machine devoid first of financial, then any physical choice.
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    Re: Scams involving printers/copiers/fax

    WOW - Neo, who is your provider now, and who should we avoid?
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    Re: Scams involving printers/copiers/fax

    And I never did get my free pizza
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    Re: Scams involving printers/copiers/fax

    How about the copier industry with the salespeople and the leasing companies, that's a scam. I see some clients pay over $30k for an MFP that msrp is about $17K, WITH A HUGE buyout to top it off, just to see the salesperson come to the rescue just to nail them again. I was working on a copier the other day and a sales person walked in (selling copiers for a brand that is currently ready to file bankruptcy) and touting what a great company they are and how they are excited about there new line of MFP's, etc, etc. I couldn't help myself, I stepped away from the copier asked the client if they would mind if I interjected. I asked the salesperson about the bankruptcy... he didn't know what to do... and told me it wasn't true, "its blown out of proportion," I quickly googled it on my hand-held, showed him a page full of google results, and replied "oh really," I told him to have a nice day and research what he is selling (copier snake-oil salesman) Just my two cents.

    I remember when Xerox was essentially giving away those Phasers (relabeled Tectronix) to unsuspecting clients, but the catch was you had to buy a certain amount of OEM ink (crayon wax)... at a ridiculous amount of money. God I hated Phaser calls, because most people would buy the generic and try to fit it in to the holes and get them jammed up all the time. I absolutely hated those things.

    I could go on about scams....but I will bite my tongue. I just twist a screwdriver.

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    Re: Scams involving printers/copiers/fax

    leasing scams

    always read before you sign, doesnt matter how much you trust the guy.

    some cons can be 10+ years in the making. Let legal be legal and trust be trust, those dont mix.
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    Re: Scams involving printers/copiers/fax

    Quote Originally Posted by theengel View Post
    I knew this old man who had a brain tumor. He had come across one of those snake oil cures and had bought into it. I don't know what kind of 'medication' he was taking, but after he took it for a week, he was instructed to prick his finger and put some dabs of blood on a piece of paper they gave him. Then, he had to FAX that paper to them, and they would tell him whether or not the medication had worked. Yeah, that was the test. Fax a picture of his blood.He kept telling me, "I'm completely cured now. I have no cancer at all in my system. The medical community doesn't want this out."
    Just hearing him talk made me want to either cry or find the bastards who scammed him and insert some home made brain tumors.
    I would have pursued that, but I already knew that his doctors had said there was nothing that could be done for him anyway; so if he felt somewhat hopeful or happy, there was no harm in it. He died a few months later.
    Anyone else have some good stories concerning scams related to printers?
    1) OH.. like a scam where they call your 94yr old mom..tell her Federal Taxes haven't been paid and she could face jail time? ( she called me ALL crying etc..*she had NO Fed Taxes*)
    2)or the ones that call you to tell you of this GREAT Senior HC program.. (they only need $300usd right then to sign you up)
    3)or the CONSTANT pressuring of "cold call" sales guys promising the WORLD on repairs to your house/shed/property... but want ALL $$$$'s UP FRONT?
    Those? Naw.. never heard of ANY shady people out there!

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