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    Speaking of what's not being used much anymore....

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    Re: Speaking of what's not being used much anymore....

    I overheard 1/2 of a phone conversation ... made me laugh:

    "So you found the adjustment, and adjusted it to 10. ... That wasn't enough? Hmmm, what to do... I don't know ... maybe adjust it further?"
    =^..^=
    If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
    1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
    2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
    3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
    4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
    5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

    blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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    Re: Speaking of what's not being used much anymore....

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil B. View Post
    after 30yrs ( and having trained countless newbies )... what i see not being used much anymore by the techs in the field is:

    Common Sense and GOOD LOGICAL Troubleshooting Skills

    NO ONE wants to RTFM..... and THINK about the process of image formation thru to the exit of the finished product.

    Far too many people I see here are swapping boards instead of looking at the the image as it forms and progresses.
    The Detailed Description Manual is your friend and a great resource, although a newer tech might read it and have his/her brain translate it as blah blah blah blah......
    NEVER ASSUME ANYTHING

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    Re: Speaking of what's not being used much anymore....

    Back in the GR days, Riso came out with a quick reference poster with all the adjustments and circuit diagrams. It was printed on both sides of a durable piece of a paper that was made of a rubbery plastic, and was prefolded to the metric size closest to letter size. It was the single most useful thing ever when working on Riso equipment back then, but since apparently everything I like causes cancer or disadvantaged children or whatever else is the outrage of the week Riso stopped making those after the GR and TR lines. Oh well.
    Actually, if you've ever worked on analog Canons, they used to have something like that too. I'm sorry I liked those as well.
    Last edited by Iowatech; 05-23-2018 at 03:27 AM. Reason: Editing a post in a hurry can create some really wierd sentences.

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    Re: Speaking of what's not being used much anymore....

    Panasonic had a folded tech chat like that. It was made of a durable type of paper. It had a weird Jap name that I can't think of right now.

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    Re: Speaking of what's not being used much anymore....

    Hey Copyman,
    I’ll never forget those great Panasonic TORANO-MAKI charts Great tools

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    Re: Speaking of what's not being used much anymore....

    OK so I'm an old fashioned dinosaur but I still prefer a test chart as after staring at them for 30 years I can pick up a fault instantly.
    I'm also always yelling at the techs that when they bring parts back for warranty claim they have to bring back samples on the manufacturers official chart. I'm usually wasting my breath on that one, oh well only 2 years to go till I'm out of this game.
    At least 50% of IT is a solution looking for a problem.

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    Re: Speaking of what's not being used much anymore....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lagonda View Post
    OK so I'm an old fashioned dinosaur but I still prefer a test chart as after staring at them for 30 years I can pick up a fault instantly.
    I'm also always yelling at the techs that when they bring parts back for warranty claim they have to bring back samples on the manufacturers official chart. I'm usually wasting my breath on that one, oh well only 2 years to go till I'm out of this game.
    I have the same problem getting samples...So why do you think techs ignore this simple request...? ( Sorry I know it's a little off topic)

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    Re: Speaking of what's not being used much anymore....

    One of the best test originals ever was the "e" sheet, wasn't it?

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    Re: Speaking of what's not being used much anymore....

    Quote Originally Posted by Iowatech View Post
    One of the best test originals ever was the "e" sheet, wasn't it?
    One of the best originals was the one I kept in my possession for at least a week....

    If I kept an original for a month I would frame it in a wooden picture frame up on the wall... kidding..
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    Re: Speaking of what's not being used much anymore....

    See attached. This is front & back of old Sharp Fax test sheet. Read the text. The way they describe the process looks like something from a Sci-fi movie. If I was a customer reading that I would be scared to death. Ha-ha

    Actually back in those days Sharp owned the fax market. Pre- Brother.
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