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    Re: George Bush Derangement Syndrome

    You know there is a lot of trouble about Greece and their economy. It's because they have followed the progressive plan. I refute by saying show me the place where progressive economics and ideals have created the utopia they promise.

    Have fun because you won't find it.
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    Re: George Bush Derangement Syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo1 View Post
    You know there is a lot of trouble about Greece and their economy. It's because they have followed the progressive plan. I refute by saying show me the place where progressive economics and ideals have created the utopia they promise.

    Have fun because you won't find it.


    Well you sure shut me down. I ask a lot of logical questions and you pointed to a country on the other side of the planet, that we have very little in common with and pointed out how the fact that they are failing is proof that any type of policy that is not consertive will ruin your country.I am talking about America, and you went to Greece. There must be some data to back up the claim that making wealthy people richer creates prosperity for all. What about Rick Perry. The taxes must be super low in Texas. Hell, not only do the oil companies make more profit than any other company or industry in America, but the Republicans voted to GIVE them billions in tax dollars, as subsidies. How sad is it that if you try to give health care to the poor, you are a piece of shit socialist, if you give billions to the richest people in the country, well that is just some kind of economic policy. As far as places that take care of citizens with labor laws that give long vacations and health care, places like Australia, Germany, Sweden and other modern western countries come to mind.

    By the way, you have not refuted anything. What about tax rates? How much is too much? What tax rate will make the average American feel like all those freedoms he or she will boast about on the world stage. My question is"what tax rate will make you feel like living in America is no longer a bargain? It is a simple and direct question, but I can't get a direct answer.If you quadrupled my federal tax rate, I would not like it one bit, but I would still feel like it would be a bargain to live here.
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    Re: George Bush Derangement Syndrome

    Well my goodness. The rich do pay there fair share and more. The top 80 percent of wage earners in this country pay most of the taxes.

    Question. WHY IS MOST OF THE ITEMS SOLD IN THIS COUNTRY MADE IN CHINA.

    Because you tax the hell out of the corparation attatude

    why the hell do I need to put up with this union BS. Move my business to China and screw IT.

    I am all for paying my fair share on taxes. I/m all for helping people on welfare or folks in need.

    But do not MAKE ME A BAD GUY BECAUSE I'M TIRED OF PAYING TAXES. ( MY HARD EARNED LABOR )

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    Re: George Bush Derangement Syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by fixthecopier View Post
    Well you sure shut me down. I ask a lot of logical questions and you pointed to a country on the other side of the planet, that we have very little in common with and pointed out how the fact that they are failing is proof that any type of policy that is not consertive will ruin your country.I am talking about America, and you went to Greece. There must be some data to back up the claim that making wealthy people richer creates prosperity for all. What about Rick Perry. The taxes must be super low in Texas. Hell, not only do the oil companies make more profit than any other company or industry in America, but the Republicans voted to GIVE them billions in tax dollars, as subsidies. How sad is it that if you try to give health care to the poor, you are a piece of shit socialist, if you give billions to the richest people in the country, well that is just some kind of economic policy. As far as places that take care of citizens with labor laws that give long vacations and health care, places like Australia, Germany, Sweden and other modern western countries come to mind.

    By the way, you have not refuted anything. What about tax rates? How much is too much? What tax rate will make the average American feel like all those freedoms he or she will boast about on the world stage. My question is"what tax rate will make you feel like living in America is no longer a bargain? It is a simple and direct question, but I can't get a direct answer.If you quadrupled my federal tax rate, I would not like it one bit, but I would still feel like it would be a bargain to live here.
    By the way you are still dodging the original idea which is someone before that horrible Bush guy wanted to invade Iraq for WMD's and it was perfectly fine then.

    You get on that and maybe I will worry about the other stuff.
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    Re: George Bush Derangement Syndrome

    jimbo, you have a bad case of Bill Clinton Derangement Syndrome. No matter what the issue is, just make it about Bill Clinton.

    Best way to shut up a conservative is to ask questions that require specific answers, like taxes, how much is too much.
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    Re: George Bush Derangement Syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by fixthecopier View Post
    jimbo, you have a bad case of Bill Clinton Derangement Syndrome. No matter what the issue is, just make it about Bill Clinton.

    Best way to shut up a conservative is to ask questions that require specific answers, like taxes, how much is too much.
    No look man I ain't trying to piss you off. But I can help you out with the thing about taxes. I wasn't trying to get anything done to Bill Clinton. All I was pointing out was in one administration we were gearing up for war because we had certain intelligence. The next administration we shouldn't do it and even though it got voted in all around somehow or other Bush lied, when he didn't even come up with the info, it had been around for a long time. I had heard once that Saddam started the WMD thing to get nations around him to leave him alone and he had already gassed the Kurds so it gave some credence to it.

    Look at this vid about taxes. ow it's simplistic but the idea is sound:

    YouTube - ‪Bar Stool Economics and How Taxes Work‬‏
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    Re: George Bush Derangement Syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by fixthecopier View Post
    It really is not about Bush. It is about all the political leaders that were in office during all or part of the Bush years, that rubber stamped everything. Am I wrong or were we not asshole deep in debt in Bushes 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th years. I do not recall seeing the right wing of this country saying anything about it. I do not recall any Republicans trying to shut down the government or hold it hostage until spending cuts were made. I believe we should tax the rich. What is the big fight about? It is over 3%. Bush tax cuts took the tax rate for the rich and cut it from 37% to 34%. Three per cent. That is all. It would help balance the budget and solve a lot of problems, but the right wing of this country compares rich people having to go back to that old tax rate as the same thing as living under Hitler and Stalin. I am so sick and tired of listening to that segment of the population talk out of one side of their mouth about how this is the greatest place in the world and then out of the other side of their mouth they wine and cry about how they are being taxed to death. When I look at my check and how much I pay to live in America, I think it is a bargain.
    Are any of you Americans taxed to death? The amount taken out of my check is not that much compared to what I get in return. I think if you whine about it costing to much to live here should be forced to live in a third world country for a year. You can not come back early, you gotta stay the whole year.
    Can anybody give me any examples of massive tax cuts creating jobs. I mean there have been Republican strongholds where the Governor and state reps are overwhelming Republican. So I would think in these right wing strongholds, state income taxes are ultra low and jobs are everywhere because corporate taxes are so low. Where are these places? How come these places are not given as examples of how conservative politics are the best way to go. Does anybody have examples of how the Bush tax cuts that have been in place for years have created any jobs. Since these tax cuts have been in place for years making the wealthy even wealthier, surely someone can show examples, using data, facts and figures to prove this Republican talking point.
    You see jimbo, it is not about Bush. It is about the whole big lie. Like drug laws. America has a larger percentage of its population in jail than any where else. Most of those prisoners are in jail for drug violations. Well the right wing says that we must fight the war on drugs. We spend billions and never get closer to winning it. But we keep a lot of people locked up and ruin their lives while cutting funding for schools to try to balance the budget. That does not make sense to me. Facts and figures do not back this up as rational thinking.
    I do not think politicians should be allowed to talk about taxes unless they use exact figures. For example, all of my deductions put together take away 1 sixth of my pay. That includes state tax and medicare and SS. I do not think I am getting screwed, but if someone can explain to me how I am, I will listen. Thanks for reading my rant.
    I am happy to read your rant, please give what I am saying a chance here.

    As for tax cuts, here is an article from the left:

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...TUKijQ&cad=rja
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    Re: George Bush Derangement Syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by MR Bill View Post
    Question. WHY IS MOST OF THE ITEMS SOLD IN THIS COUNTRY MADE IN CHINA.

    Because you tax the hell out of the corparation attatude
    We cut corporate taxes for years. Where the hell are the jobs they promised?

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    Re: George Bush Derangement Syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by fixthecopier View Post
    jimbo, you have a bad case of Bill Clinton Derangement Syndrome. No matter what the issue is, just make it about Bill Clinton.

    Best way to shut up a conservative is to ask questions that require specific answers, like taxes, how much is too much.
    And I guess we can call welfare a success???? Lets through some more money away on it and raise our taxes even higher. These issues stem back 70 years now and they are not getting any better. Neither side knows what to do to solve the issues that are bringing this country down and this thread is mircocosm of what is going on in Washington. You spat back and forth about these issues and give us links to reports that are skewed in favor of one party or the other, but where are the solutions?

    And honestly can a president change a county by himself...probably not, but the impression that Obama gives is one that gives little confidence to me and I made mistake voting for him in the last election...not that the other choice was much better but that is another story. All of the elected people in Wasington need to start working for the country again and not a political party run by different special interests groups to further an agenda that benefits them and not the people. And until the people actually take the time to educate themselves and show up on election day and vote the merry go round will keep on spinning just like this thread!!!
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    Re: George Bush Derangement Syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Hemlock View Post
    We cut corporate taxes for years. Where the hell are the jobs they promised?
    Who, The Current Administration?
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