Impressions from Presidential Debate

[RRodgers]

Not really. I was just observing that they make many of the same points against each other.

It many respects it seems to me that if they weren't so partisan they would be bedfellows.

If they are sooo muvh the same then why didn't Obama spank back on the economy?

[Synaux]

If they are sooo muvh the same then why didn't Obama spank back on the economy?

And Romney has spanked the economy?
Plus the President is not this omnipotent leader that people like to believe--alone the President cannot fix the economy.

[RRodgers]

And Romney has spanked the economy?
Plus the President is not this omnipotent leader that people like to believe--alone the President cannot fix the economy.

But he has no problem blaming Bush for it.

[MR Bill]

Well CTL-ALT-DEL I have to disagree with you about the gov not being run like a business. Yes the gov is suppose to take care of a # of things. Infrastructure you said for one thing. I agree with you on that. Hiways, etc. But some of the services can be cut. There can be a balanced budget if they work at it. Romney mentioned Big Bird - Sesame street . Well that show will make it without me or you paying for it. I know, that's minor but it all adds up.

[Synaux]

But he has no problem blaming Bush for it.

I cannot say that Obama or his staff has directly blamed the Bush Administration of not. What is certainly crystal clear is that the US went from having a surplus for the first time in something like 30 years to having an extreme deficit.

I doubt any administration could fix such a thing with merely one term.

Anyways....personally I am not very pleased about the past 12+ years of government:
To much infighting, incivility, bi-partisanship, lobbyism, filibustering, personal interests for various politicians, pernicious but "legal" business dealings, et cetera.

It is broken--I think we need to replace the PCBs.

[Shadow1]

Plus the President is not this omnipotent leader that people like to believe--alone the President cannot fix the economy.

Fix? Perhaps not, but he sure can hurt it worse. (Refer back to my original post)

The Obama administration is on track for 4 consecutive $Trillion deficits - a business certainly can't be run that way.

The democrats haven't passed a budget since anyone can remember - and that's from their democrat controlled chamber of congress - imagine trying to run a business like that?

A large part of the infighting isn't even the federal government's business. Read the constitution - most of the big arguments are way outside of the fed's jurisdiction. Not saying we don't need those services / policies / whatever, just that the founders intended most of those things to be dealt with on a state to state basis. Much easier to design a policy that works for your particular region, and also much easier to find which necks to choke...

And most importantly, government's job IS NOT to redistribute wealth. PERIOD. If you want to live under socialism, find a socialist country that will take you. I don't mean to say we don't need programs like unemployment, medicaid, or SSI, but these were intended to operate more like insurance and IRA's (until the democrats voted the SSI funds out of trust and into the general fund, thereby creating the world's biggest Ponzi scheme)

Nope - Government certainly isn't being run like a business, but the problem is not that it CAN'T be - just that it doesn't have to be. Government won't go out of business nearly as fast as a corporation when it has ineffective or bad leadership, but the inevitable collapse is much more spectacular when it finally happens.

[MR Bill]

US post office. If it was run like a business then They would be making money instead of being in the hole billions of $$$.
Our mail carrier is making about $70,000 plus bennies.

$70,000 for walking around handing out mail. Why is he making more than a delivery man for Fedex or UPS.?? Oh right. He works for the government. They don't need to make a profit.

[mojorolla]

Obama inherited this mess from Bush, let's be real here. He started 2 wars and then cuts a bunch of checks to taxpayers in 2008. Here, have some money!!! It stimulated absolutely nothing. Regardless of party affiliation, I cannot stand either party, our current mess has a lot to do with GW and his policies.
If you really wanna go back, blame Reagan. He is the one who removed the restrictions for the banking industry.

The government is not a business, it is a Ponzi scheme.
End all foreign aid, you gotta start somewhere.

[Synaux]

Obama inherited this mess from Bush, let's be real here. He started 2 wars and then cuts a bunch of checks to taxpayers in 2008. Here, have some money!!! It stimulated absolutely nothing. Regardless of party affiliation, I cannot stand either party, our current mess has a lot to do with GW and his policies.
If you really wanna go back, blame Reagan. He is the one who removed the restrictions for the banking industry.

The government is not a business, it is a Ponzi scheme.
End all foreign aid, you gotta start somewhere.

I entirely agree about Reagan. He basically started a mentality of something like "lets borrow today and have later generations pay for our expenditures"

[ZOOTECH]

I entirely agree about Reagan. He basically started a mentality of something like "lets borrow today and have later generations pay for our expenditures"

Was that the "trickle down theory", or the "pissed on theory"?