Why should someone get to make a profit for my existence?

[DWise]

Now, I'm only chiming in with my personal experience as of late with Canada's healthcare, which by no means am I arguing for.

Ideally, from my perspective - the perfect system is somewhat of a hybrid between the quality of the services in the states and the general access to serious medical claims of a universal healthcare system.

To use recent examples from my life - my wife has had to leave me to go to the closest majour city for medical procedures for almost 2 full months since November (being gone the entirety of November and Jan 19-Feb 8) and had to take my son with her because I have no babysitter or day-care service for him while I was at work. These trips were such an emergency, that I had to take time off work with no notice and actually be flown down from our city here.

The hospital in my city is very large, as it has to serve almost all of northern Manitoba, yet does not have the resources to perform a CT scan or an MRI. As soon as we were flown down to Winnipeg (capital), we were told that it could be up to a week just to get in for the MRI she was requiring. After this first week, we were informed there were more delays and it could be another week - being the husband I was legally required to escort her and my son to be covered by our "awesome universal healthcare" that paid for us to be flown down, but not for a place for us to reside. I had actually been expected to take all of this time off work without compensation or penalty. Keep in mind we were flown down for emergency purposes.

It was a very similar scenario this past month as well - again, all covered by our "awesome universal healthcare". Personally, if it meant not dealing with this BS and actually having her condition figured out (which they still haven't), I would gladly pay a small fortune for medical treatment.

Now, this is a personal example of how universal healthcare isn't exactly the greatest. Doctors and surgeons are only allowed to do so much work in a standard work week before they're not allowed to do anything further, and medical resources can be extremely limited sometimes. Am I glad I don't have to pay a dime for any of this? Yes. Am I upset by the fact they're pissing around and not really taking it seriously? Hell yes. Am I bothered by the fact that my own tax dollars are paying for them to not care? You better believe it. Would I want it changed? Dependent on what the final result would be.

Take this story as you will, regardless of which side of the argument you represent, but just keep in mind free is free and paid is paid. If you want the premium, you gotta pay a little extra. I'm of the opinion every health system needs reform, and that perhaps a bit of a hybridization between the two existing systems of "Free, but good luck finding someone who cares about their job" and "Fixing my heart cost me my arm and leg" wouldn't be a horrible thing.

Akitu,
Praying your wife gets back to 100% very soon!

[Akitu]

Akitu,
Praying your wife gets back to 100% very soon!

Appreciated, and seconded. In all likelihood? Probably won't happen any time soon. This all started in November of 2011... It took them a year just to consider it a real problem.

[fixthecopier]

Well fixthecopier dude. You know more about this Obamacare than Nacey Palosi anyway. She said we have to pass Obamacare and then we can figure out what's in it. One of the dumbest things I've ever hear come out of a politicans mouth.

What I know I found out by using this cool new feature called GOOGLE. Since I keep referencing data and information, and those taking the opposing side just come back with snide one liners, that have no relevance to the conversation. Like the comment on the House Speaker. That would have more weight if you can link to an article, but then I would be able to show everyone how you are taking it out of context, like this...



I constantly hear the right-wing talking point that then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said we’ll only know what’s in the Affordable Care Act once it’s passed. This is an out-0f-context quote. She was discussing “the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill,” and added, “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it away from the fog of the controversy.” And let’s not forget that the Republicans kept adding amendments and trying to change the bill up to the last minute, and that much of it becomes law in years to come.

Here is the link to the site http://hotair.com/archives/2010/03/09/pelosi-we-need-to-pass-obamacare-so-that-the-public-can-find-out-whats-in-the-bill/

There see how easy that was.

Sounds like she was saying, lets get this finalized so the republicans will quit fucking with it, and the public can see what it is. So in your thinking, letting the public see a final bill that can't be altered anymore is dumb. Sounds very reasonable to me.

[Tonerbomb]

Now, I'm only chiming in with my personal experience as of late with Canada's healthcare, which by no means am I arguing for.

Ideally, from my perspective - the perfect system is somewhat of a hybrid between the quality of the services in the states and the general access to serious medical claims of a universal healthcare system.

To use recent examples from my life - my wife has had to leave me to go to the closest majour city for medical procedures for almost 2 full months since November (being gone the entirety of November and Jan 19-Feb 8) and had to take my son with her because I have no babysitter or day-care service for him while I was at work. These trips were such an emergency, that I had to take time off work with no notice and actually be flown down from our city here.

The hospital in my city is very large, as it has to serve almost all of northern Manitoba, yet does not have the resources to perform a CT scan or an MRI. As soon as we were flown down to Winnipeg (capital), we were told that it could be up to a week just to get in for the MRI she was requiring. After this first week, we were informed there were more delays and it could be another week - being the husband I was legally required to escort her and my son to be covered by our "awesome universal healthcare" that paid for us to be flown down, but not for a place for us to reside. I had actually been expected to take all of this time off work without compensation or penalty. Keep in mind we were flown down for emergency purposes.

It was a very similar scenario this past month as well - again, all covered by our "awesome universal healthcare". Personally, if it meant not dealing with this BS and actually having her condition figured out (which they still haven't), I would gladly pay a small fortune for medical treatment.

Now, this is a personal example of how universal healthcare isn't exactly the greatest. Doctors and surgeons are only allowed to do so much work in a standard work week before they're not allowed to do anything further, and medical resources can be extremely limited sometimes. Am I glad I don't have to pay a dime for any of this? Yes. Am I upset by the fact they're pissing around and not really taking it seriously? Hell yes. Am I bothered by the fact that my own tax dollars are paying for them to not care? You better believe it. Would I want it changed? Dependent on what the final result would be.

Take this story as you will, regardless of which side of the argument you represent, but just keep in mind free is free and paid is paid. If you want the premium, you gotta pay a little extra. I'm of the opinion every health system needs reform, and that perhaps a bit of a hybridization between the two existing systems of "Free, but good luck finding someone who cares about their job" and "Fixing my heart cost me my arm and leg" wouldn't be a horrible thing.

I pray for you and your wife's recovery, regardless of your healthcare system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Iowatech]

So in a country where people dedicate themselves to making sure that every fetus is born because all life is precious, you are ok with people dieng becausethey can't afford health insurance? So at what point does human life become expendable as a cost cutting measure? Is the answer "When it comes out of the womb"? Seems pretty selfish to me.

Huh, OK if you say so. It would work better if you would show instances of that actually happening. No matter.

[Akitu]

Huh, OK if you say so. It would work better if you would show instances of that actually happening. No matter.

Blue Cross praised employees who dropped sick policyholders, lawmaker says - Los Angeles Times... here is a quote...An investigation by the House Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations showed that health insurers WellPoint Inc., UnitedHealth Group and Assurant Inc. canceled the coverage of more than 20,000 people, allowing the companies to avoid paying more than $300 million in medical claims over a five-year period.It also found that policyholders with breast cancer, lymphoma and more than 1,000 other conditions were targeted for rescission and that employees were praised in performance reviews for terminating the policies of customers with expensive illnesses.



Quadriplegic Man Dies After Losing Health Insurance | BlazeSports

Alfa to cut 73,000 insurance policies in Alabama after tornadoes (updated) | al.com

Health Care Renewal: Insurance Company Employees Got Incentives to Cancel Policies After People Got Sick

Double quote for relevance... Also bolded, italicized and underlined the one most relevant.

[MR Bill]

Hell what a idea fixthecopier dude. GOOGLE. I had to google , google to find out what that was. OK. Found some good things there. Polosi had her plane taken away from her because she made 85 trips with family and friends in a 68 week period. Spent $101,000 on BOOZE . Tax payers are footing the bill for that.

If I had that face I'd get boozed up too. I did read that she had a face lift tho. I wish I had not of looked.

I think you can fine all sorts of things on the internet. Republicans this and that. Democrats that and this. Tit for tat BS. They both SUCK.

Now for your info I'm niether one. I'm more libertairian in my thinking?

[Iowatech]

Double quote for relevance... Also bolded, italicized and underlined the one most relevant.

United Way or their benefactors like the Red Cross and others would have taken care of those situations if those people had bothered to pay attention even a little bit.
Try harder.

[Akitu]

United Way or their benefactors like the Red Cross and others would have taken care of those situations if those people had bothered to pay attention even a little bit.
Try harder.

I barely tried to be honest, I just quoted and added some forum tags. Frankly I didn't even read the articles myself. Who's to say they didn't try, however? Maybe they were just waiting for approval from them? Maybe they were denied? Can't say for sure.