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    Re: Real or altered counters

    Quote Originally Posted by mikadonovan View Post
    I ran into a preowned pro 907 a while back that had a low electronic meter, but found out the mechanical meter had over 2 mil on it. I purposefully looked for the mech meter because there were some inconsistencies in the SMC (found its location in the parts catalog).
    Could be the NVRAM was replaced at some point. Or could be they were trying to put one over on you.

    Quote Originally Posted by JDYAL View Post
    The MP 9002 has an mechanical counter inside the front door. You just have to peel off a little gray decal. Most bigger machines have a mechanical counter. All the Wide format B/W machines have an external mechanical counter.
    I don't think the 9002 has one. I know the 6002 and 7502 don't. I'll have to check next time I'm working on one of the 9002s we have in the field.


    Additionally I think mechanical meters are a lot more common in machines sold in North America than in other places. At least I've seen several "NA Only" remarks on mech meters.


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    Re: Real or altered counters

    As i have not sold a new machine in over 10 years I can sense if some units might be fishy.
    Most lease returns never care about meter and the only issue one could have is
    warehouse tech swapping out a fuser unit or drum etc etc to a different machine.
    I try to tip my warehouse guys lunch money to have an extra set of eyes on my bought stuff.
    as for low meter returns,i one got a unit back that had 2k b/w copies and "15" color...
    go figure


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    Cool Re: Real or altered counters

    20180810_151811.jpg Inside door 9002 with decal pulled back. Had this machine at the shop


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    Re: Real or altered counters

    [QUOTE = JDYAL; 693180] 20180810_151811.jpgPuerta interior 9002 con la etiqueta hacia atrás. Tenía esta máquina en la tienda [/ QUOTE]


    Does the mechanical measurement have any kind of shielding?
    or is it as simple as opening it and modifying the numbers?
    Sorry for my English, but help me google


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    Re: Real or altered counters

    Nothing special about opening a mechanical meter but you can always tell it was open by marks, broken plastic, etc.


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    Re: Real or altered counters

    Quote Originally Posted by copyman View Post
    Nothing special about opening a mechanical meter but you can always tell it was open by marks, broken plastic, etc.
    And just in case someone thinks that they can just disconnect the counter, it will make 1 copy and then error. You can reboot and make another copy but who wants to cycle power for each copy.


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    Re: Real or altered counters

    Quote Originally Posted by reglanet View Post
    [QUOTE = JDYAL; 693180] 20180810_151811.jpgPuerta interior 9002 con la etiqueta hacia atrás. Tenía esta máquina en la tienda [/ QUOTE]


    Does the mechanical measurement have any kind of shielding?
    or is it as simple as opening it and modifying the numbers?
    Sorry for my English, but help me google
    anyone can cheat if the want to spend time and money.
    When i use to sell 62cpm sharp anaologs there was a dealer who use to send out the
    copier "skins",all to be redone to look new and he would buy brand new mechanical counters.
    At the time i think one could zero out the counters in service mode.
    So if you are buying used machines you need to know who you are dealing with...
    I am lucky i inspect all units b4 paying for them,if a meter is wrong or panels broken etc i ask for a small $ adjustment.


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    Re: Real or altered counters

    Does the MP C5502 have a mechanical counter as well? If so, where?


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    Re: Real or altered counters

    Quote Originally Posted by MP C5502 Fan View Post
    Does the MP C5502 have a mechanical counter as well? If so, where?
    I could not find one listed in the parts manual.

    Nevermind, yep it's there.

    Last edited by sturmtrooper; 08-13-2018 at 04:29 PM.

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    Re: Real or altered counters

    It's on page U030 Electrical 1 in the parts catalog. Since the 3d parts catalogs suck, I couldnt really tell where its at. Maybe below the IH coil power supply somewhere.

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