Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

[gneebore]

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I'm not really old enough to comment on unions on a historical basis. Personally, I believe they were badly needed at one time (although I haven't extensively looked into it). But right now, it seems they cause more problems than they solve.

At one point yes they were. And in some cases even now. But having worked in closed shop states and in right to work states I much prefer the right to work states. There are some areas of the country where it is a requirement to join a union. In one instance I remember seeing a report that Detroit has a law that all child care workers are required to join a union.

Detroit Child care workers sue to break from union State is one of 16 requiring unions represent personal-care workers > Detroit Legal News.

And I do remember seeing on a website where they were actually trying to force babysitting teens to pay unions dues. Yes you hire a teen to babysit for one night every two weeks and the unions/government regulators were calling the occasional teen aged baby sitters "child care workers" and were subject to the rules of unionization.

The time I spent in NY/NJ area taught me the worst of union behavior. Whether from actually being forced to be a member of a union or reading the newspaper reports of what happened to people that tried to cross picket lines. Or crossed the union bosses. Like the report on a member being kneecapped because he made the mistake of mentioning he got the union officer election results three days before he received his official ballot. Or even here where the unions are trying to force an election at the Boeing plants by rejecting a secret ballot but insisting on using either the internet ballot. Or a card check system where you check yes or no an a card and turn that in to the union with you name and signature on the card. Oh yeah have overheard a few conversations at the coffee shops near the plants where the people are afraid of the goon squads the unions have patrolling plants.

[slimslob]

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And now for a look at what is going on politically in Canada since a number of Canadians are so interested in US politics.
ORWELLIAN: Canadians Can Now Be Fined Or JAILED For Using Wrong Gender Pronouns | Daily Wire

[gneebore]

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And now for a look at what is going on politically in Canada since a number of Canadians are so interested in US politics.
ORWELLIAN: Canadians Can Now Be Fined Or JAILED For Using Wrong Gender Pronouns | Daily Wire

Weirdly the same sort of reaction and policies are trying to be put in place here too. I am so glad I finally retired so I no longer have to worry about losing a job because of political correctness and all the looney bulls**t that comes with it. Wonder how soon it will be when someone actually files a complaint that when quoting an historical figure using gender specific pronouns becomes illegal too.


Funny but the US supreme court has just ruled that "hate speech" is protected free speech. Seems a band formed by some oriental members wanted to trademark/copyright their name. They wanted to call themselves the "Slants" They were denied the name as the name was offensive to orientals. they sued and took the case all the way and won. Case also has bearing on the trademarked name of the Washington Redskins.

[SalesServiceGuy]

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And now for a look at what is going on politically in Canada since a number of Canadians are so interested in US politics.
ORWELLIAN: Canadians Can Now Be Fined Or JAILED For Using Wrong Gender Pronouns | Daily Wire

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[Copier Addict]

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I'm not really old enough to comment on unions on a historical basis. Personally, I believe they were badly needed at one time (although I haven't extensively looked into it). But right now, it seems they cause more problems than they solve.

I didn't say unions were perfect, but without them wages would drop sharply. Without the threat of unionisation big business would have no reason to pay good wages.
And you asked about whether the rich sitting on their money is bad. I don't know if it is or not, but I do know that whenever a tax break is given to the rich the money has to be made up somewhere, and that is from the not so rich

[Tonerbomb]

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[NeoMatrix]

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And now for a look at what is going on politically in Canada since a number of Canadians are so interested in US politics.
ORWELLIAN: Canadians Can Now Be Fined Or JAILED For Using Wrong Gender Pronouns | Daily Wire

Wow... ...wow... who's the poor soul who thought that free speech could be stifled....
How in any law system (Canadian or otherwise) can any body of government/dictatorship enforce any language to be fixed by a law. Profanity is a good example, it's fixed by law but still doesn't stop people from being explicit.

How many people can speak one, two, five different languages?
How can fixing a single word in English law stop a person from speaking it in say French, Italian or German.
Does the Canadian gender law define the specific language that is to be fixed by this law.
So if the citizenry decided to remove the word "gender" from the "said lawful" language can
it be replaced by another word/term which is outside the law legislate?
Example. Can a person no longer use the unlawful word "gender" , but instead use a made up word like "redneg"?
(Which some how has a way of making it into lawful dictionary's when used by enough people.)

The point I make is that people are just going to make up another word to replace the lawful word.
Such be the case, given any amount of years down the track, the comprehension state of the English language
will end up in some ridiculous multi-dribble incoherent babbling blaa blaa, bought about by law makers.
A pending example of language verging on destruction is the use of SMS abbreviations/acronyms used by the younger people to date. (yer... I know,I'm guilty too..)

Re:Canadian Gender legislate:
All-in-all I've yet to see words jump out of vocal cords ,jump off a page, computer screen and physically beat/hurt anyone. The people who read such words have to be emotionally willing and want to be hurt by that type of communication."NOBOBY" absolutely "NOBODY" forces anybody down on the ground makes them read a document. Nobody rams the words through another persons eyes to make them feel those emotional feelings. People who are emotionally distraught by written communicate have to be physically wanting,willing an able to read those words that trigger those emotions. If I read a document that goes off track I dump it in the bin or delete it. There is no one on this earth that can make me continuously upset by words, unless "I myself" choose to read those words which trigger those emotions. I may read it the first time, then I dump it for ever there after. I'll take back my self empowerment at any time if needed, an refuse to allow others to play me like a marionette.


"A rose flower is still a rose flower by any another name."
How does a social system take the definition for the word "Rose" out of comprehension?


Thanks Slimslob for the update.

[gneebore]

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I didn't say unions were perfect, but without them wages would drop sharply. Without the threat of unionisation big business would have no reason to pay good wages.

With the constant threat of union demands then jobs go overseas. Or in the case currently where the left and unions are pushing for minimum wage hikes to fifteen dollars an hour businesses are switching to kiosk order booths in the very "industry" most first time jobs are provided.

http://6abc.com/business/wendys-to-replace-workers-with-machines/1341581/

[/QUOTE]And you asked about whether the rich sitting on their money is bad. I don't know if it is or not, but I do know that whenever a tax break is given to the rich the money has to be made up somewhere, and that is from the not so rich[/QUOTE]

Want to try that again. When capital gains rates were cut tax revenues went up not down. Every single time they raise rates on capital gains revenue falls. If you take the incentive of investing in new business away then it becomes more profitable to sit on the money by saving. Here are the latest statistics from capital gains cuts. Plus when investors are not getting or helping business expand or new start-ups then there are less jobs created. Oh yes and here are the numbers on the taxes actually raised via capital gains.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/capital-gains-tax-revenue-risen-233200669.html

[Copier Addict]

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With the constant threat of union demands then jobs go overseas. Or in the case currently where the left and unions are pushing for minimum wage hikes to fifteen dollars an hour businesses are switching to kiosk order booths in the very "industry" most first time jobs are provided.

http://6abc.com/business/wendys-to-replace-workers-with-machines/1341581/

And you asked about whether the rich sitting on their money is bad. I don't know if it is or not, but I do know that whenever a tax break is given to the rich the money has to be made up somewhere, and that is from the not so rich[/QUOTE]

Want to try that again. When capital gains rates were cut tax revenues went up not down. Every single time they raise rates on capital gains revenue falls. If you take the incentive of investing in new business away then it becomes more profitable to sit on the money by saving. Here are the latest statistics from capital gains cuts. Plus when investors are not getting or helping business expand or new start-ups then there are less jobs created. Oh yes and here are the numbers on the taxes actually raised via capital gains.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/capit...233200669.html[/QUOTE]

I don't recall saying anything about capital gains.

[NeoMatrix]

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Want to try that again. When capital gains rates were cut tax revenues went up not down. Every single time they raise rates on capital gains revenue falls. If you take the incentive of investing in new business away then it becomes more profitable to sit on the money by saving. Here are the latest statistics from capital gains cuts. Plus when investors are not getting or helping business expand or new start-ups then there are less jobs created. Oh yes and here are the numbers on the taxes actually raised via capital gains.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/capit...233200669.html

Provided my facts are correct.
The world governance (NWO which ever you prefer) have already defined the future social system as an %80 unemployed %20 working. The fact that every thing is becoming machine modernised gives rise to the ever increasing unemployment rate in every country. Knowing that there is not enough local money circulating at any given moment in the above social/financial system, how does a social system maintain the day-to-day financial flow effect to prop up a continuing out of balance u80/e20 society?

The simple facts are that the law of the jungle(survival of the fittest) will come into play if there is not enough money circulating in society. The gov't either pays the money at the dole queues or the gov't pays the money to the prison system full of the same people. It cost's ten time more to pay someone with in prison system than it does to pay the same person at the dole queue.


Again, if my facts are correct.
There is a (NWO) system already defined called the "many" or Man hour system, which is not understood like the "money" system as we know it. The "Many" system functions by paying workers or unemployed a flat rate in man hours regardless of their education, profession or work status. A person works, rests at a set rate of hours per week they are given 'X' amount of "manies" at a fixed total which is released/circulated into society each week. Releasing "many"(man hours) at a fix rate will ensure that there is only ever 'X' manies floating around/circulating in society at any one time, thereby removing all systems of capitalist, greed, and taxation.

Some people out there would align themselves with such a social system as being communist or dictatorship.

It was a while ago that I encountered the actual "Many system" document online.

In my own honest truth ,I'm not sure if such a system is truly workable.


Problem:
The facts are for ever there, that we will be living in a society were %80 of people will be unemployed and %20 of people working.

Solution:
...... ? .....please inform me too.

[Copier Addict]

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Provided my facts are correct.
The world governance (NWO which ever you prefer) have already defined the future social system as an %80 unemployed %20 working. The fact that every thing is becoming machine modernised gives rise to the ever increasing unemployment rate in every country. Knowing that there is not enough local money circulating at any given moment in the above social/financial system, how does a social system maintain the day-to-day financial flow effect to prop up a continuing out of balance u80/e20 society?

The simple facts are that the law of the jungle(survival of the fittest) will come into play if there is not enough money circulating in society. The gov't either pays the money at the dole queues or the gov't pays the money to the prison system full of the same people. It cost's ten time more to pay someone with in prison system than it does to pay the same person at the dole queue.


Again, if my facts are correct.
There is an (NWO) system already defined called the "many" or Man hour system, which is not understood like the "money" system as we know it. The "Many" system functions by paying workers or unemployed a flat rate in man hours regardless of their education, profession or work status. A person works, rests at a set rate of hours per week they are given 'X' amount of "manies" at a fixed total which released/circulated into society each week .Releasing "many"(man hours) at a fix rate will ensure that there is only ever 'X' manies floating around/circulating in society at any one time, thereby removing all systems of capitalist, greed, and taxation.

Some people out there would align themselves with such a social system as being communist or dictatorship.

It was a while ago that I encountered the actual "Many system" document online.

In my own honest truth ,I'm not sure if such a system is truly workable.


Problem:
The facts are for ever there, that we will be living in a society were %80 of people will be unemployed and %20 of people working.

Solution:
...... ? .....please inform me too.

How is a country viable with only 20% of the population paying taxes?

[gneebore]

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I don't recall saying anything about capital gains.

Ah capital gains are a taxes on investments by people that can afford to invest the money they are "sitting on" Or did you miss the part in the url where it says "capital-gain-tax-revenue" If a person or company is earning a profit then that profit is taxed as income,agreed? So one of your contentions is that the rich stash away all their money to avoid paying taxes on it. Sorry but right now where I live we have in the works what actually happens when "rich corporations or people" have a chance to invest in expansion of business which hires more people. Boeing has built several plants in the area. The county before those plants were built was getting less than 100k per year in tax revenue. The land was empty and unimproved. In fact some of the property was actually owned by the county where the plants were built and not generating any tax revenue. Given a twenty year tax break Boeing built their plants and now the county is receiving during that twenty years over a billion in property taxes. Plus there has been a real building boom from other companies moving in and setting up warehouses, offices and plants nearby to supply Boeing with supplies and parts and even food for the workers at the plants. Then surprise surprise Volvo decided to build a new plant about twenty miles away in a rather rural wooded area. Guess what is going on there. Yes several small strip shopping centers have been/are being renovated and are opening new shops to cater to the traffic already on the increase.
The point being other than Boeing and Volvo opening plants near here is that people and companies are making investments that will when completed, result in capital gains to the original property and business owners. Who will then pay taxes on that gain in value when it was or will be sold. Or if the capital gains taxes are too high then they sit on the property and not sell so no tax revenues are collected at all.

[SalesServiceGuy]

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I have a friend who manages a unionized plumbing company employing approx 50 plumbers. This company gets most of the big jobs in my area because they can deliver quality work on time and on budget. This company is rarely the lowest cost bidder and all of the workers are well paid. Large contractors prefer dealing with this company because in the construction industry when one trade falls behind on their timeline the whole project is effected.

There are certainly comparable non unionized plumbing companies in the local area that they compete against.

While I see little need for a union in the copier industry other industries, especially dangerous ones, like mining, require strict oversight outside of corporate control.

Society does seem to be slowly displacing low skilled workers with automation and technology. Nevertheless, even low skilled workers deserve a minimum living wage.

[gneebore]

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Some people out there would align themselves with such a social system as being communist or dictatorship.

It was a while ago that I encountered the actual "Many system" document online.

In my own honest truth ,I'm not sure if such a system is truly workable.


Problem:
The facts are for ever there, that we will be living in a society were %80 of people will be unemployed and %20 of people working.

Solution:
...... ? .....please inform me too.

I vaguely remember from years ago being in a class in high school some similar statistics being part of some study or thesis put forward in the late 1800's. Where 20 to 40 percent of the population will be employed and the rest unemployed or in communes where all labor is evenly distributed and all product and goods are also even distributed. The employed were to be the ones producing goods for sales abroad for foreign capital and for production of needed equipment to be used in the communes for food and raw , cotton silk wool etc, material production. Where the "unemployed" were the ones living in the communes and working their own/common land for their own benefit without a salary being paid to compensate for their labor.

Actually there were some communes formed in the west and south where everyone "owned" part of the property and all foodstuffs were shared. Profits from excess production that could not be stored or preserved for future use went to provide payment for property taxes and the few vehicles owned by the commune so they could go to town and buy essentials not grown on the commune. A few were actually successful. And there may still be a few in existence.

[Copier Addict]

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Ah capital gains are a taxes on investments by people that can afford to invest the money they are "sitting on" Or did you miss the part in the url where it says "capital-gain-tax-revenue" If a person or company is earning a profit then that profit is taxed as income,agreed? So one of your contentions is that the rich stash away all their money to avoid paying taxes on it. Sorry but right now where I live we have in the works what actually happens when "rich corporations or people" have a chance to invest in expansion of business which hires more people. Boeing has built several plants in the area. The county before those plants were built was getting less than 100k per year in tax revenue. The land was empty and unimproved. In fact some of the property was actually owned by the county where the plants were built and not generating any tax revenue. Given a twenty year tax break Boeing built their plants and now the county is receiving during that twenty years over a billion in property taxes. Plus there has been a real building boom from other companies moving in and setting up warehouses, offices and plants nearby to supply Boeing with supplies and parts and even food for the workers at the plants. Then surprise surprise Volvo decided to build a new plant about twenty miles away in a rather rural wooded area. Guess what is going on there. Yes several small strip shopping centers have been/are being renovated and are opening new shops to cater to the traffic already on the increase.
The point being other than Boeing and Volvo opening plants near here is that people and companies are making investments that will when completed, result in capital gains to the original property and business owners. Who will then pay taxes on that gain in value when it was or will be sold. Or if the capital gains taxes are too high then they sit on the property and not sell so no tax revenues are collected at all.

Jeepers, all I said was any tax breaks for the rich have to be made up by the poor.