Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

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  • theengel
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    #856
    Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

    You're purposely missing the point.

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    • Geo
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      • Nov 2010
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      #857
      Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

      Originally posted by copier addict
      He was commenting on theengel's post about living in a "free" country and being forced to buy health insurance. You are forced to buy car insurance, so not really free.
      Again the examples he gave are all over the place and conflated. They are not supporting his somewhat confusing post..

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      • Phil B.
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        #858
        Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

        Originally posted by copier addict
        Oh brother, so now the left has been telling people to commit suicide?
        no but they do have bureaus that decide whether to allow an old person to have surgery or not. My mom @ 95 feel and broke her hip.. her insurance wouldn't pay for it... she paid for it out of her pocket... she was on medicare .. until she passed from pneumonia because her DICKtor didn't think she had it ..despite the Xrays ect .. than confirmed it.

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        • Coptech
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          • Dec 2009
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          #859
          Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

          Originally posted by bsm2
          Not difficult IMPOSSIBLE without the ACA protection.
          I guess it is true that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. The program helped you. On the other side of the coin, it equally harmed my family.

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          • slimslob
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            #860
            Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

            Originally posted by bsm2
            One Visit to ER can cost thousands. 10 years ago my MRI was 4000.00 total ER bill was over 5,500.00
            There are Millions of American's like me that NEED the ACA coverage benefits. I buy it and PAY for IT through the Marketplace. Without it I could not get Health Insurance for my family!
            It's not a question of IF your going to NEED IT. It's WHEN.
            Best of luck with No Health Insurance.
            Originally posted by Coptech
            I assume there are pre-existing conditions that make it difficult for you to get coverage. My wife is the same. Through the "marketplace", the best deal on her only was $700 per month. Nothing affordable about that. While I feel the prices you paid were badly inflated, they are indicative of healthcare costs. In my opinion, the thing that brings down costs is competition. I believe it would make much more sense to spend the money that the government used to fund the ACA to pump up some of the "charity based" healthcare organizations. If they had the equipment and the means to provide some of the more costly procedures for free or nearly free, the completion could force other providers to evaluate their charges in order to stay in business. If healthcare costs were more in line, then insurance would not be the point of contention that it is currently. Forcing people to buy an overpriced product is not going to lower the price of that product. We put the fish in the barrel for the insurance companies and then act surprised when they started shooting at them!

            America has some of the best politicians that money can buy.

            That is my rant.
            Originally posted by bsm2
            Not difficult IMPOSSIBLE without the ACA protection.
            Back when I used to get group health insurance from the company I worked for the policies did have a pre-existing condition clauses, any major treatment for the pre-existing was not covered for the first 3 to 6 months. Regular doctor visits were covered even if the doctor was also checking the pre-existing. Normal generic medications were also covered even if they were for the pre-existing. Even those restrictions were waived if you had been under a policy with their or another insurance carrier at any time within the previous 6 months. They did not block you from getting a policy. What they didn't cover was the person who waited purchased insurance until the day after suffering a heart attack or stroke.

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            • bsm2
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              #861
              Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

              Originally posted by slimslob
              Back when I used to get group health insurance from the company I worked for the policies did have a pre-existing condition clauses, any major treatment for the pre-existing was not covered for the first 3 to 6 months. Regular doctor visits were covered even if the doctor was also checking the pre-existing. Normal generic medications were also covered even if they were for the pre-existing. Even those restrictions were waived if you had been under a policy with their or another insurance carrier at any time within the previous 6 months. They did not block you from getting a policy. What they didn't cover was the person who waited purchased insurance until the day after suffering a heart attack or stroke.


              When I worked for a Company No Problem getting picked up 100%, Private insurance for two people DENIED COVERAGE or your Pre-Existing condition NOT COVERED. Now it's not a problem the ACA guarantee's protection.

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              • gneebore
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                #862
                Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

                Originally posted by bsm2
                Your right Healthcare and Health Insurance are different. Good luck if you can afford a serious medical issue or long term treatment with No Health insurance.
                I have been for fifteen years. It is called chronic renal failure. When first diagnosed it was a bi yearly visit and blood tests to monitor the progression of the disease. All well within the deductible amounts of 1500.00 per year of the insurance coverage I had at the time. I actually spent more for the portion of cost for group insurance (250.00.month) over that time than I spent on healthcare treatment. Then the supposedly affordable care act in 2009/2010 and the insurance company we had insurance with at work dropped us because of the mandated coverage costs and the company I worked for did not have enough employees to allow them to offer coverage to us under the terms of the act. There was a new insurance company that was contracted and my share of the coverage went to 850.00 per month. Not exactly affordable . And my last attempt to get insurance on my own the cost was over 1800 a month. So I was forced to go without. Once I lost all insurance coverage I found out if the doctors offices and the blood testing labs did not have to fight with the insurance companies they accepted up front payment at one third of what I was paying when I had insurance. The worst problem I faced was an emergency admittance and two week stay in the hospital and the bills for that. But I would still be paying off the quoted 10,000 dollar deductible amount plus the twenty percent of anything above the deductible from the least expensive insurance policy I was last given a quote on five years ago.

                Oh yes the disease has progressed by now to stage four and I see a specialist every three months and have blood tests done then also. That is in addition to any other visits to the primary care physicians for other medical problems that may crop up. And due to age I am covered now by Medicare. Supposedly paid for by a tax on my salary for forty years.

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                • gneebore
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                  #863
                  Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

                  Originally posted by bsm2
                  When I worked for a Company No Problem getting picked up 100%, Private insurance for two people DENIED COVERAGE or your Pre-Existing condition NOT COVERED. Now it's not a problem the ACA guarantee's protection.
                  Way back when I actually bought and paid for my own health insurance the private policy quotes all had pre-existing condition riders on the policy that were in effect for anywhere from six months to one year. Then if no need for treatment of the condition the insurance for the rider period you were covered. Then my boss took over payment and every three years he got a new policy. Funny thing was even after having surgery on one knee under my private policy I was never denied coverage for the pre-existing condition because it had already been covered before by another policy. Usually the reason you were not denied coverage when working for a company and got coverage from or through the company was existing group coverage did not allow pre-existing condition exclusions. Most group coverage policies required covering every employee regardless of health.

                  Like someone in another post has said the pre-existing coverage denial prevented someone from going without coverage and then signing up for health insurance the day after they have a heart attack or are diagnosed with some other serious disease.

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                  • slimslob
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                    #864
                    Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

                    Originally posted by bsm2
                    When I worked for a Company No Problem getting picked up 100%, Private insurance for two people DENIED COVERAGE or your Pre-Existing condition NOT COVERED. Now it's not a problem the ACA guarantee's protection.
                    Maybe you and others like you who are not yet eligible for Medicare should check into concierge health health care providers available in your area. We have a few here in the Bakersfield, CA. Dr. Mensink was one of the first. Individual plans for as little as $79/month, far less than the premiums under ACA and no deductible or copay for doctor visits. Also has discounts setup with local labs and pharmacies. Most people will realize considerable savings over current costs for health insurance covered treatment. Direct Primary Care - Dr. Mensink, The Practice

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                    • bsm2
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                      • Feb 2008
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                      #865
                      Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

                      President Trump didn't just take credit for the booming stock market. He outright cheered it to go "up, up, and up."
                      The Dow Jones industrial average plunged more than 1,100 points Monday as stocks took their worst loss in six and a half years. Two days of steep losses Dow ends wild day down 1,175 points, largest point drop in history

                      have erased the market's gains from the start of this year and ended a period of record-setting calm for stocks.



                      But all of a sudden, the stock market that Trump attached himself to is in turmoil, putting the White House in a difficult spot. The Dow plunged 1,175 points on Monday -- its biggest point decline ever -- as investors fret over cracks emerging in the bond market.
                      After being on cruise control for months, the stock market hit a giant speed bump on Monday, when the Dow Jones industrial average plunged — tumbling more than 1,500 points at one point after sinking 665 points on Friday.
                      By the close, the Dow had lost around 2,200 points since Jan. 26, closing in on a 10% decline — which would mark the start of an official “correction.”


                      Yup. Sean Hannity Found A Way To Blame Obama For The Stock Market Drop

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                      • fixthecopier
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                        #866
                        Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

                        The greatest enemy of knowledge isn't ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. Stephen Hawking

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                        • Copier Addict
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                          #867
                          Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

                          Originally posted by bsm2
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                          In this case I wholeheartedly agree.
                          Although he gets off on a technicality. There is no Dow Joans. He is "like, really smart". Lol

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                          • theengel
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                            #868
                            Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

                            Some people ...

                            FACT CHECK: Did Trump Tweet in 2015 That the President Should Be Shot Out of a Cannon if the 'Dow Joans' Tanks?

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                            • Copier Addict
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                              #869
                              Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

                              So, when it suits, snopes is accurate and not a left wing shill?

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                              • theengel
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                                #870
                                Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

                                Originally posted by copier addict
                                So, when it suits, snopes is accurate and not a left wing shill?

                                When it matches with reality.

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