Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

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  • gneebore
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    #166
    Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

    Originally posted by Geo
    " Unfortunately, climate change and global warming, caused increased sea temperatures which made these storms much more intense and much more destructive."

    As I posted earlier , which you ignored...." In a recent interview, on a national radio program of a renowned geoscientist revealed that many climatologists believe hurricane intensity in recent years has increased due to cleaner air...So it seems stronger, deadlier storms are a byproduct of reduced car , industrial emissions and coal fired power plants...ironic ehh.."
    Kind of like the same pollutants that were going to cause global warming were also the very same ones that were going to cause the new ice age the alarmists were predicting in the seventies. The exhaust particles from cars and power plants in the upper atmosphere would reflect the heat from the sun away from earth and cause a new ice age. Now the opposite is claimed to be the result and a warmer planet. And now we have someone claiming that cleaner air is allowing the sun to heat the oceans and cause global warming.

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    • gneebore
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      #167
      Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

      Originally posted by ZOOTECH
      So, you don't believe that livestock fart and burps?
      Have you been near a livestock farm/ranch and not detected a distinct order?
      If they could contain all those gases, we may not need to drill/frack for more petroleum products.
      Of course they fart and burp. But probably not on the scale that would be a major cause of global warming. And yes I spent a lot of time driving around farmlands in my state and noticed the distinct odor. Especially if it was a pig farm. But traveling a mile or two further away and into the pine tree farms and guess what the air now smells like a pine forest. Or if there is an apple or peach orchard you get the odor of those fruit trees.

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      • gneebore
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        #168
        Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

        Originally posted by copier addict
        If that is the case, they would be trying to hide global warming, don't ya think?
        Actually the time frame for the "falsified reports" are from 2010 to 2015 durin Obama's presidency. And even before that he was going to bankrupt coal companies. So as the person who actually chooses who is the head of various government agencies he gets to appoint people that agree with him. So logically the political climate in any government body will be that of the president and file reports that back up their boss. And Obama was a supporter of global warming is caused by humans. So back then they would have tried to emphasize any warming trend.

        Flashback 2008: Obama Promised To 'Bankr | The Daily Caller

        Heck it is happening now with Trump and the EPA removing information about climate change from the EPA website.

        This article was republished with permission from Climate Central. The Environmental Protection Agency’s website has begun to transform under the Trump administration. A group of researchers have found what are likely the first steps in a major overhaul of a site that’s been closely watched since President Trump’s inauguration on Jan. 20. Federal climate plans created […]

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        • SalesServiceGuy
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          #169
          Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

          Thanks for that link to www.insideclimatenews.org.

          It lead me to read ran interesting article about how the three recent hurricanes will likely help to accelerate the acceptance of solar power and battery storage. Homeowners and businesses are looking at their options so as to not rely so much on the power grid. With all of the destruction to the electrical utilities especially in Puerto Rico solar might be a big player in the efforts to rebuild.

          The majority of Florida's electrical power is transmitted via lines on poles which are vulnerable to hurricanes.

          Florida Gov Rick Scott (R) has repeatedly questioned climate science even after Hurricane Irma hurt his state. Two years ago, his administration banned the use of the terms "climate change", "sustainability" and "global warming in official documents. The destruction caused this year might have energized enough people to pay attention to the climate and force politicians to actually act.

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          • TheBlueOrleans
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            #170
            Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

            Side question:
            Can solar power generators (otherwise known as those black roof panels) and their related accessories be sufficiently hardened against EMP?

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            • Phil B.
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              #171
              Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

              Originally posted by TheBlueOrleans
              Side question:
              Can solar power generators (otherwise known as those black roof panels) and their related accessories be sufficiently hardened against EMP?

              #toolazytogoogleitmyself
              #KimJongUnIsNoKimJongFun
              #RocketMan
              #IThinkItsGonnaBeAJongJongTime
              the control unit would be affected... but not the panels nor the batteries

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              • slimslob
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                #172
                Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

                Originally posted by TheBlueOrleans
                Side question:
                Can solar power generators (otherwise known as those black roof panels) and their related accessories be sufficiently hardened against EMP?

                #toolazytogoogleitmyself
                #KimJongUnIsNoKimJongFun
                #RocketMan
                #IThinkItsGonnaBeAJongJongTime
                Originally posted by Phil B.
                the control unit would be affected... but not the panels nor the batteries
                In order to protect the panels would require sufficient shielding that the panels would be useless because solar energy would be unable to reach them. The control panel, batteries and inverter can be shielded.

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                • Phil B.
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                  #173
                  Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

                  Originally posted by slimslob
                  In order to protect the panels would require sufficient shielding that the panels would be useless because solar energy would be unable to reach them. The control panel, batteries and inverter can be shielded.
                  -= from my understanding =- .. an EMP doesn't affect any thing that doesn't have a "processor chip" in it.. solar panels do not ( I have a customer that makes the panels, and was given a grand tour of his plant ) and neither does the deep cycle batteries that stores the power. ONLY inverter and control panel have them.

                  that is why we preppers are always looking for the older trucks/cars that do not have a processor board in it

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                  • slimslob
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                    #174
                    Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

                    Originally posted by Phil B.
                    -= from my understanding =- .. an EMP doesn't affect any thing that doesn't have a "processor chip" in it.. solar panels do not ( I have a customer that makes the panels, and was given a grand tour of his plant ) and neither does the deep cycle batteries that stores the power. ONLY inverter and control panel have them.

                    that is why we preppers are always looking for the older trucks/cars that do not have a processor board in it
                    It affects anything conductive by inducing electrical current sufficient to fry any type of equipment. It is most destructive to any solid state device such as a processor, an amplifier or a photo voltaic cell. Current induced in a battery will explode the battery. Unprotected conductors too small to handle the current will melt and possibly cause fires.

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                    • SalesServiceGuy
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                      #175
                      Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

                      Originally posted by Phil B.
                      -=

                      "that is why we preppers are always looking for the older trucks/cars that do not have a processor board in it
                      "

                      What do you mean by "preppers"? Is that slang for someone who wants to prepare for any emergency?

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                      • theengel
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                        #176
                        Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

                        Originally posted by Phil B.
                        -= from my understanding =- .. an EMP doesn't affect any thing that doesn't have a "processor chip" in it.. solar panels do not ( I have a customer that makes the panels, and was given a grand tour of his plant ) and neither does the deep cycle batteries that stores the power. ONLY inverter and control panel have them.

                        that is why we preppers are always looking for the older trucks/cars that do not have a processor board in it
                        Didn't a solar storm shut everything down in the 50s? That was like a huge EMP.

                        Personally, I do not believe in EMP weaponry. People have been talking about dirty bombs for years, and I have yet to hear of anyone actually producing one. I think it's only theoretical.

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                        • gneebore
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                          #177
                          Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

                          Originally posted by theengel
                          Didn't a solar storm shut everything down in the 50s? That was like a huge EMP.

                          Personally, I do not believe in EMP weaponry. People have been talking about dirty bombs for years, and I have yet to hear of anyone actually producing one. I think it's only theoretical.
                          For what it is worth EMP includes all sorts of different sources for interference. There have been nuclear weapons designed specifically and tested to produce EMP. There are also other natural occurring EMP effects, lightning for instance.
                          Q: Why do nuclear weapons cause EMPs (electromagnetic pulses)? | Ask a Mathematician / Ask a Physicist

                          And then there is the home built little nasty devices. EMP devices do not have to be high powered. They can actually be made to really tick off your neighbor. Don't know it it is effective or worth the effort but your can build your own. Oh yeah just a little side fact. Static electricity is also considered an EMP source. Ever walked across a carpet and fried an old radio? I have and even some newer digital watches when I got zapped after walking across a deep pile carpet. Then there is the electro/magnetic field of power lines. You can hear it on your car radio if you sit under a power line at a red light occasionally.

                          Last edited by gneebore; 09-29-2017, 07:28 AM.

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                          • theengel
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                            #178
                            Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

                            I just don't think they exist as an effective weapon.

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                            • Phil B.
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                              #179
                              Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

                              Originally posted by theengel
                              Didn't a solar storm shut everything down in the 50s? That was like a huge EMP.

                              Personally, I do not believe in EMP weaponry. People have been talking about dirty bombs for years, and I have yet to hear of anyone actually producing one. I think it's only theoretical.
                              dirty bombs aren't EMP devices... they are a low dose fission explosions at ground level

                              High altitude fusion detonations are the EMP variety higher power

                              Inside the sun, fusion reactions take place at very high temperatures and enormous gravitational pressures The foundation of nuclear energy is harnessing the power of atoms. Both fission and fusion are nuclear processes by which atoms are altered to ...

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                              • SalesServiceGuy
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                                #180
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                                While talking about the very unlikely event that of a EMP attack over America is interesting, it is a distraction from the human tragedy that has been happening to the American citizens of Puerto Rico caused by Hurricane Maria.

                                Both Texas and Florida seem to be making progress in recovering from Hurricanes Harvey and Irma but Maria is going to be a long drawn out event due to the massive destruction of infrastructure on the island.

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