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  • theengel
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    Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

    Here's what bugs me about the environmental movement... and really, any movement on the left. They're never about doing things. They're only about restricting others from doing things.

    Take Algore. What exactly has he done for the environment? I think the most you could say is that he stopped other people from destroying it. That's the biggest claim they could possibly make. He didn't come up with a way to reduce CO2. He didn't find a new plant that would use more CO2 and convert it back into oxygen. He didn't create some new filter that would reduce emissions. He didn't DO anything, except make a few unsuccessful films. The left is ALWAYS about restricting. NEVER about helping.

    Now if you go to the right, then you see some action. Even in the anti crowds... like the anti-abortion crowd. True--they want to restrict, but they go so far beyond that. They raise millions of dollars to help young, single mothers. They run countless mental health organizations to help mothers who have aborted their babies and are trying to deal with the guilt. They have out-reach programs to show women that they actually have options. Their activities trickle down into the various industries that create the 'need' for abortion: pornography, prostitution, sex trafficking, etc.,. The pro-life movement is all about ACTION.

    The same could be said about most right-wing movements.

    Even the ones that have, for some reason, been claimed by the left. For example, the fight against poverty. Just look at all of the left-wing actions taken to help with poverty. EVERY SINGLE one of them has failed and only produced more poverty. But if you look into the way it's handled on the right, through charities and local churches, it's successful.

    It almost doesn't matter to me what the subject is. If the left is promoting something, I can know without any doubt, that it revolves around restricting people... and that even restricting people won't solve whatever problem they're claiming exists.

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    • Copier Addict
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      #272
      Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

      Originally posted by theengel
      Here's what bugs me about the environmental movement... and really, any movement on the left. They're never about doing things. They're only about restricting others from doing things.

      Take Algore. What exactly has he done for the environment? I think the most you could say is that he stopped other people from destroying it. That's the biggest claim they could possibly make. He didn't come up with a way to reduce CO2. He didn't find a new plant that would use more CO2 and convert it back into oxygen. He didn't create some new filter that would reduce emissions. He didn't DO anything, except make a few unsuccessful films. The left is ALWAYS about restricting. NEVER about helping.

      Now if you go to the right, then you see some action. Even in the anti crowds... like the anti-abortion crowd. True--they want to restrict, but they go so far beyond that. They raise millions of dollars to help young, single mothers. They run countless mental health organizations to help mothers who have aborted their babies and are trying to deal with the guilt. They have out-reach programs to show women that they actually have options. Their activities trickle down into the various industries that create the 'need' for abortion: pornography, prostitution, sex trafficking, etc.,. The pro-life movement is all about ACTION.

      The same could be said about most right-wing movements.

      Even the ones that have, for some reason, been claimed by the left. For example, the fight against poverty. Just look at all of the left-wing actions taken to help with poverty. EVERY SINGLE one of them has failed and only produced more poverty. But if you look into the way it's handled on the right, through charities and local churches, it's successful.

      It almost doesn't matter to me what the subject is. If the left is promoting something, I can know without any doubt, that it revolves around restricting people... and that even restricting people won't solve whatever problem they're claiming exists.
      Classic, just classic!! When the "left" restrict it is bad. When the "right" restrict it is good. I get it now. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

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      • theengel
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        Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

        Wow... you make a good point.

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        • SalesServiceGuy
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          In response to the wildfires which for the last week has been destroying many acres of forests, homes and businesses in Southern California, Governor Jerry Brown has a sobering message for residents.

          "This is kind of the new normal. Extreme fire activity will happen on a regular basis for decades. With climate change, some scientists are saying that Southern California is literally burning up."

          Southern California received abundant rainfall last winter which caused an explosion in plant growth. The summer/ fall has been abnormally dry which caused all of the new vegetation to dry out. The Santa Anna winds coming down from the mountains have been unusually strong this year and a perfect situation was created to produce wildfires.

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          • theengel
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            I think that was an irresponsible statement.

            While the number of acres burned has gone up in the past decade, the number of fires has gone down. We could speculate all we want on why, but we should keep in mind that ALL of it is speculation. One possible explanation is that the way we manage land has changed. We conduct a lot more managed fires now, creating areas with grass and weeds where there would normally be shrubbery with little or no grass. Not only that, but we damn rivers and create ecosystems in places that might normally be arid--bringing more plant life and more possibility fire spread.

            It would seem that if global warming was responsible, there would be more fires instead of less.

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            • Copier Addict
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              Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

              Originally posted by theengel
              I think that was an irresponsible statement.

              While the number of acres burned has gone up in the past decade, the number of fires has gone down. We could speculate all we want on why, but we should keep in mind that ALL of it is speculation. One possible explanation is that the way we manage land has changed. We conduct a lot more managed fires now, creating areas with grass and weeds where there would normally be shrubbery with little or no grass. Not only that, but we damn rivers and create ecosystems in places that might normally be arid--bringing more plant life and more possibility fire spread.

              It would seem that if global warming was responsible, there would be more fires instead of less.
              It stands to reason that if the fires are larger then there would be less opportunities for smaller fires. At least, it seems logical to me anyway.

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              • Phil B.
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                Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

                Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
                In response to the wildfires which for the last week has been destroying many acres of forests, homes and businesses in Southern California, Governor Jerry Brown has a sobering message for residents.

                "This is kind of the new normal. Extreme fire activity will happen on a regular basis for decades. With climate change, some scientists are saying that Southern California is literally burning up."

                Southern California received abundant rainfall last winter which caused an explosion in plant growth. The summer/ fall has been abnormally dry which caused all of the new vegetation to dry out. The Santa Anna winds coming down from the mountains have been unusually strong this year and a perfect situation was created to produce wildfires.
                well they let billions of gallons of water go into the sea to appease the tree huggers

                Reservoirs In Drought-Stricken California Dump Billions Of Gallons Of Water In Case Of Storms << CBS San Francisco

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                • Copier Addict
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                  Originally posted by Phil B.
                  well they let billions of gallons of water go into the sea to appease the tree huggers

                  Reservoirs In Drought-Stricken California Dump Billions Of Gallons Of Water In Case Of Storms << CBS San Francisco
                  I'm not sure what article you read, but this one states nothing about "tree huggers". It simply states that the old regulations may need to be updated to better contend with today's changing weather.

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                  • Phil B.
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                    Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

                    Originally posted by copier addict
                    I'm not sure what article you read, but this one states nothing about "tree huggers". It simply states that the old regulations may need to be updated to better contend with today's changing weather.
                    there are many on the "tree hugger" vein ... some say it was was from a FEDERAL order...

                    Should California Spend 4 Billion Gallons to Save a Few Fish? | WIRED

                    Inefficiencies, protecting fish leads to wasting water in California - The San Diego Union-Tribune

                    it all depends on which report you read... "endangered species" usually means the "environmentalists" are involved .. hence 'tree huggers'

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                    • Copier Addict
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                      Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

                      Originally posted by Phil B.
                      there are many on the "tree hugger" vein ... some say it was was from a FEDERAL order...

                      Should California Spend 4 Billion Gallons to Save a Few Fish? | WIRED

                      Inefficiencies, protecting fish leads to wasting water in California - The San Diego Union-Tribune

                      it all depends on which report you read... "endangered species" usually means the "environmentalists" are involved .. hence 'tree huggers'
                      I was commenting on the news report you posted in post # 277. I mentions nothing about endangered species.
                      The term endangered species just means that specific species is close to extinction. It doesn't have anything to do with tree huggers. It is fact. Whether or not you believe it personally doesn't change anything.

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                      • SalesServiceGuy
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                        Two southern California home owners takes cover from flying embers as they try to stop wildfires from burning a neighbors home.
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                        • theengel
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                          #282
                          Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

                          Originally posted by copier addict
                          It stands to reason that if the fires are larger then there would be less opportunities for smaller fires. At least, it seems logical to me anyway.
                          I see what you mean.

                          If you look at a graph, you can see that it goes up and down alot. You get a wet year, then a couple of dry years... and then you get fires.

                          But if you're looking at all the man-made climate theories, then the huge amount of CO2 put into the atmosphere, then the fires should be smaller, having less oxygen to breathe. And then, it also makes sense, because more CO2 means more plantlife, and more fire food.

                          You could argue in circles about this, and it's all speculation.

                          Or you could post more news of tragedy, and think that this somehow furthers the man-made argument... not having a single original thought (or even the understanding of unoriginal thoughts), it seems this is the path some will take.

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                          • SalesServiceGuy
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                            The Science Journal 2017 states that global warming and climate change will intensify regional inequality in the United States based on an exhaustive new economic study of the phenomenon. Essentially climate change is transferring wealth from poor counties in the the Southeast and Midwest to well off communities in the Northeast and on the coasts.

                            The study simulates the costs of global warming by modelling every day of weather in every US county during the 21st century. The study finds enormous disparities in how rising temperatures will affect American communities. Texas, Florida and the deep south will bleed income in the broiling heat while come chillier northern states will gain moderate benefits.

                            Across the country's southern half and especially in states that border the Gulf of Mexico climate change could impose the the equivalent of a 20% tax on county level income. Harvests will dwindle, summer energy costs will soar, rising sea levels will erase real estate holdings and heatwaves will set off epidemics of cardiac and pulmonary disease.

                            New England, the Pacific Northwest and the Great lakes States may all prosper as growing seasons lengthen and the number of frigid deadly winter days decrease.

                            The Science paper is the first product of the the Climate Impact Lab, a 25 person consortium of economists and policy experts. This study attempts to make a global assessment of the economic cost of human caused climate change.

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                            • Phil B.
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                              Originally posted by copier addict
                              I was commenting on the news report you posted in post # 277. I mentions nothing about endangered species.
                              The term endangered species just means that specific species is close to extinction. It doesn't have anything to do with tree huggers. It is fact. Whether or not you believe it personally doesn't change anything.
                              Congress and other government groups here in the states are constantly pressured by activist groups ( PITA - greenpeace ect ) Those aforementioned groups are the tree huggers. Depending on how much money is thrown at the governing groups will depend on how the government reacts. I not sure how things work in Cannuck land .. but here in the states there are far too many dirty politicians that will sell their souls for the $$$.
                              This is why ( and some throughout the world can't grasp this ) President Trump was put in power. He can't be bought and by his actions ( donating his salary ) he has proven just that. But you always have the greedy people ( yes left and right ) that see their "golden calf " being led away and they are scared they will lose it forever.

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                              • theengel
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                                I would point out also, that the election was an act of desperation. A lot of us thought of this as a last chance... not for 'conservatism' per se, but for the American way of life.

                                Since then, the dynamics have changed.

                                At one time, people were holding their noses to vote. At this point, many of those people, myself included, love the man. Every time he 'slips up,' we cheer. Every time he ticks off the left, his following gets bigger. My prediction is that the next election is going to be a landslide.

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