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  • nanohitmen
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    Any old old school copier techs here?

    Was doing some spring cleaning in the shop today when I found an interesting test chart. Did any of y'all use one of these back in the day?
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  • SalesServiceGuy
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    Re: Any old old school copier techs here?

    ... old school copiers techs are dying off yet many who remain active choose to or have to work well past 65 years old.

    Many younger techs are not interested in keeping older electro mechanical discontinued copiers working ... as it should be.

    Modern copier design is now much more about replacing entire modules rather than spending hours trying to get something to work. You might save a buck on some parts but you spend a fortune in your time.

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    • blackcat4866
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      Nice find! I'll dig out a few of my ancient Canon and Ricoh A3 charts this weekend. Most of them are so stained you couldn't identify a quality issue if you tried. =^..^=
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      5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

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      • Necrocannibal
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        Re: Any old old school copier techs here?

        Not sure what you mean by old school but I started doing this in 1990.

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        • KenB
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          • BillyCarpenter
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            Re: Any old old school copier techs here?

            Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
            ... old school copiers techs are dying off yet many who remain active choose to or have to work well past 65 years old.

            Many younger techs are not interested in keeping older electro mechanical discontinued copiers working ... as it should be.

            Modern copier design is now much more about replacing entire modules rather than spending hours trying to get something to work. You might save a buck on some parts but you spend a fortune in your time.

            I don't know that I agree it takes less time to repair a modern copier. Why? Because there's a lot more stuff to work on. Lots more adjustments to be made.


            As far as old test charts, I don't have them any longer but I remember them in detail...like they're burned in my brain.
            Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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            • SalesServiceGuy
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              Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
              I don't know that I agree it takes less time to repair a modern copier. Why? Because there's a lot more stuff to work on. Lots more adjustments to be made.


              As far as old test charts, I don't have them any longer but I remember them in detail...like they're burned in my brain.
              Many modern copiers print pre-programmed test charts from their system board or HDD. Albeit, there is still a use for techs to carry their own pre-printed paper test chart and a USB drive containing your print drivers and favorite print samples.

              There are still a lot Katun test charts for off the glass still being used especially among techs who work on multiple brands.

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              • BillyCarpenter
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                Re: Any old old school copier techs here?

                Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
                Many modern copiers print pre-programmed test charts from their system board or HDD. Albeit, there is still a use for techs to carry their own pre-printed paper test chart and a USB drive containing your print drivers and favorite print samples.

                There are still a lot Katun test charts for off the glass still being used especially among techs who work on multiple brands.

                I used the Katun test chart back in the day. Also, I will say that I don't miss rebuilding DV's and Fusers. Don't miss it one bit.
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                • gneebore
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                  Re: Any old old school copier techs here?

                  Originally posted by nanohitmen
                  Was doing some spring cleaning in the shop today when I found an interesting test chart. Did any of y'all use one of these back in the day?

                  Way back when I started on the then new Canon pc20 and pc 25's I did a self-paced training course. The training back then on those was in our shop with a vcr and tv to watch the course-movie. And there was a suggestion to use the front page of the local paper. They were black and white and always had some pictures and bold head lines and usually small print. With a slightly grey background of the paper. Made a real good test copy while not quite a chart like we were given when I finally went to a course in NJ for the last of Copystar/Mita analog 25-50 cpm lines and then the digitals which printed their own internal test pages to use as a test chart.

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                  • copier tech
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                    Re: Any old old school copier techs here?

                    Originally posted by gneebore
                    Way back when I started on the then new Canon pc20 and pc 25's I did a self-paced training course. The training back then on those was in our shop with a vcr and tv to watch the course-movie. And there was a suggestion to use the front page of the local paper. They were black and white and always had some pictures and bold head lines and usually small print. With a slightly grey background of the paper. Made a real good test copy while not quite a chart like we were given when I finally went to a course in NJ for the last of Copystar/Mita analog 25-50 cpm lines and then the digitals which printed their own internal test pages to use as a test chart.
                    I remember the Canon PC copier we sold so many of these what a great little box, take out the small optic ass'y to clean fit a new UFR & cartridge machine was like new again.

                    Was the PC25 the one with the enlarge/reduce dial?


                    Oh & that little sep belt!
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                    • KenB
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                      Re: Any old old school copier techs here?

                      Originally posted by copier tech
                      I remember the Canon PC copier we sold so many of these what a great little box, take out the small optic ass'y to clean fit a new UFR & cartridge machine was like new again.

                      Was the PC25 the one with the enlarge/reduce dial?


                      Oh & that little sep belt!
                      “I think you should treat good friends like a fine wine. That’s why I keep mine locked up in the basement.” - Tim Hawkins

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                      • KenB
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                        Re: Any old old school copier techs here?

                        Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                        I used the Katun test chart back in the day. Also, I will say that I don't miss rebuilding DV's and Fusers. Don't miss it one bit.
                        “I think you should treat good friends like a fine wine. That’s why I keep mine locked up in the basement.” - Tim Hawkins

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                        • tsbservice
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                          Back in the days when I used Toshiba test chart it was a matter of pride to save your test chart clear and in good condition. Also every additional tinny dot or mark on test chart was burned like map in my mind so when take a copy of test chart I immediately recognized mine test chart 'defects' versus copier added.
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                          • gneebore
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                            Re: Any old old school copier techs here?

                            Originally posted by copier tech
                            I remember the Canon PC copier we sold so many of these what a great little box, take out the small optic ass'y to clean fit a new UFR & cartridge machine was like new again.

                            Was the PC25 the one with the enlarge/reduce dial?


                            Oh & that little sep belt!

                            Had to look them up but yes the box had a dial. Great little machines for light duty. But we had a few customers that ran through three toners in a month. Got so bad with one we had to pick it up off of rental since they did not have a copy count. The rentals for those machines included one toner cartridge every two months. Any more than that they got a charge for extra supplies. Even had one weird customer that insisted we provide the paper she needed to use to make copies on. Because that is a copier supply item.

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                            • KenB
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                              “I think you should treat good friends like a fine wine. That’s why I keep mine locked up in the basement.” - Tim Hawkins

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