What's in laser copiers that make them so heavy?

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  • aab1
    End User
    • Oct 2010
    • 305

    #1

    What's in laser copiers that make them so heavy?

    I had a low end Canon MF8350Cdn which I thought was heavy at about 65 lbs. I just replaced it with an HP Color Laserjet CM3530 which is over 100 lbs. It's insane how heavy this thing is, I can't even lift it to put it on my desk, I'm going to have to wait until someone else is here to help me.

    What in the world is in these copiers? It almost seems that it couldn't possibly be so heavy if it was filled with led. Do they intentionally add weight for theft prevention or do they really have to be this heavy and if so what makes them so heavy?

    BTW this new HP is MILES ahead of the Canon machine it replaced, absolutely everything about it is miles better.

    Thanks
  • JustManuals
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    • Jan 2006
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    #2
    Re: What's in laser copiers that make them so heavy?

    Why don't you strip it down and weigh each piece?

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    • Akitu
      Legendary Frost Spec Tech

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      • Oct 2010
      • 2595

      #3
      Re: What's in laser copiers that make them so heavy?

      Originally posted by manuals4you
      Why don't you strip it down and weigh each piece?
      I had to like it, as I'm still laughing. He seems like the type to do it too.
      Cthulhu for president! Why settle for the lesser evil?

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      • mo0651
        Service Manager

        1,000+ Posts
        • Apr 2009
        • 1054

        #4
        Re: What's in laser copiers that make them so heavy?

        I like to think it is the toner! ounce for ounce seems it's as expensive as GOLD!

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        • mojorolla
          The Wolf

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          • Jan 2010
          • 2609

          #5
          Re: What's in laser copiers that make them so heavy?

          Originally posted by aab1
          It almost seems that it couldn't possibly be so heavy if it was filled with led.
          I believe the word you are looking for is "lead"; as in the machines are filled with lead. LED is the blinking light you ignore when you fill your machine with waste toner.


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          • Jules Winfield
            Senior Tech

            500+ Posts
            • Jul 2009
            • 821

            #6
            Re: What's in laser copiers that make them so heavy?

            Originally posted by aab1
            What in the world is in these copiers? It almost seems that it couldn't possibly be so heavy if it was filled with led. Do they intentionally add weight for theft prevention or do they really have to be this heavy and if so what makes them so heavy?
            Thanks
            They intentionally add weight, but not for the purpose of theft prevention. They do it for the amusement factor. There's actually a small, wireless hidden camera that feeds back to the manufacturer's headquarters installed in each machine. They use it to watch morons stand around, looking at the machine like a bunch of monkeys trying to fuck a football.
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            • ddude
              General Troublemaker

              250+ Posts
              • Feb 2009
              • 473

              #7
              Re: What's in laser copiers that make them so heavy?

              HP has always been over weighted with excessive upper and middle management, and so each department has to add some sort of 'contribution' to the final product, which naturally adds bulk.
              2000 mockingbirds = 2 kilomockingbirds

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              • jonezy999
                just one copy??

                Site Contributor
                500+ Posts
                • Feb 2010
                • 952

                #8
                Re: What's in laser copiers that make them so heavy?

                It's the laser beams which weigh so much.
                I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work. ~Thomas Edison

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                • igi
                  Service Manager

                  1,000+ Posts
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 1507

                  #9
                  Re: What's in laser copiers that make them so heavy?

                  Originally posted by jonezy999
                  It's the laser beams which weigh so much.
                  jonezy Hi
                  its color its got 4 laser beams,
                  that why its extra heavy.

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                  • igi
                    Service Manager

                    1,000+ Posts
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 1507

                    #10
                    Re: What's in laser copiers that make them so heavy?

                    Hi all
                    i researched the above isue and came to a conclusion(many hours of research)

                    the reason the HP is heavy, is the hard drive must be full,

                    please format to make it lighter

                    cheers

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                    • jonezy999
                      just one copy??

                      Site Contributor
                      500+ Posts
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 952

                      #11
                      Re: What's in laser copiers that make them so heavy?

                      Originally posted by igi
                      Hi all
                      i researched the above isue and came to a conclusion(many hours of research)

                      the reason the HP is heavy, is the hard drive must be full,

                      please format to make it lighter

                      cheers

                      Also, format as SKINNY not FAT.
                      I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work. ~Thomas Edison

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                      • Shadow
                        PHD in Sh!t Disturbing

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                        • Sep 2011
                        • 455

                        #12
                        Re: What's in laser copiers that make them so heavy?

                        if you take a close look inside the machine you will find all the things that have gone missing from your office since the day you got the machine.
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                        • DAG COPIERS & COMPUTERS
                          Senior Tech

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                          • Oct 2010
                          • 860

                          #13
                          Re: What's in laser copiers that make them so heavy?

                          Dear aab1, with your own mouth, in your own words you stated that, "The new HP is MILES AHEAD of the canon machine it replaced". This should indicate to you that the new machine is a HIGH QUALITY, HIGH RELIABILITY product.

                          - It means HP employs tools and manufacturing equipment of the required standard,and they have good FEEDBACK of information between design & production that enables modification to be made that will improve Reliability and quality.
                          _ It means the BUYING DEPARTMENT in HP ensures that the required COMPONENTS & PARTS used in the manufacture of the machines is ordered from a REPUTABLE source; They therefore, have a correct purchasing policy, that ensures that all the aspects of the item's specification can be met. All components & parts entering the factory passes through a Rigorous "GOODS INWARDS INSPECTION SYSTEM".
                          _ IT ALSO means that HP employ highly skilled, highly trained workers( tool makers,production & methods engineers, Assembly operators, Test & Inspection Engineers,etc).

                          In the above area, I can't doubt HP at all, Considering that the company's founders, HEWLETT & PACKARD, are both GRADUATE ELECTRICAL ENGINEERS themselves, by profession.

                          - It is ALL about offering a Reliable and Quality, Reputable product to the consumers by first investing in reliable, quality Resources/materials. Therefore winning the consumer's confidence, as happened to you.

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                          • mrwho
                            Major Asshole!

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                            • Apr 2009
                            • 4299

                            #14
                            Re: What's in laser copiers that make them so heavy?

                            I've heard a couple of years ago the rumour that copier manufacturers are also shareholders of all the major screw manufacturers all around the world. That's why every copier/printer you see apparently has more screws than it would be necessary (say, for example, eight screws to hold a panel in place instead of just, say, three or four). That's also what makes them heavier, since a large percentage of a photocopier's weight is due to the large number of screws used to hold it together.
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                            • aab1
                              End User
                              • Oct 2010
                              • 305

                              #15
                              Re: What's in laser copiers that make them so heavy?

                              Originally posted by igi
                              Hi all
                              i researched the above isue and came to a conclusion(many hours of research)

                              the reason the HP is heavy, is the hard drive must be full,

                              please format to make it lighter

                              cheers

                              That does make a lot of sense, because it does have a 70 GB hard drive which I don't think comes standard with the machine, and I did buy it used. The previous user must have left 10 000 pages worth of documents on the hard drive. No wonder it's so heavy.

                              Originally posted by DAG COPIERS & COMPUTERS
                              Dear aab1, with your own mouth, in your own words you stated that, "The new HP is MILES AHEAD of the canon machine it replaced". This should indicate to you that the new machine is a HIGH QUALITY, HIGH RELIABILITY product.

                              - It means HP employs tools and manufacturing equipment of the required standard,and they have good FEEDBACK of information between design & production that enables modification to be made that will improve Reliability and quality.
                              _ It means the BUYING DEPARTMENT in HP ensures that the required COMPONENTS & PARTS used in the manufacture of the machines is ordered from a REPUTABLE source; They therefore, have a correct purchasing policy, that ensures that all the aspects of the item's specification can be met. All components & parts entering the factory passes through a Rigorous "GOODS INWARDS INSPECTION SYSTEM".
                              _ IT ALSO means that HP employ highly skilled, highly trained workers( tool makers,production & methods engineers, Assembly operators, Test & Inspection Engineers,etc).

                              In the above area, I can't doubt HP at all, Considering that the company's founders, HEWLETT & PACKARD, are both GRADUATE ELECTRICAL ENGINEERS themselves, by profession.

                              - It is ALL about offering a Reliable and Quality, Reputable product to the consumers by first investing in reliable, quality Resources/materials. Therefore winning the consumer's confidence, as happened to you.
                              That makes sense, but I still have trouble imagining how it can be so heavy, perhaps it's the lack of handles and large/awkward shape that makes it nearly impossible for one person to lift it. Since I'm using it in a home office, I'm going to have to wait for a friend to come over just to I can put it on my desk, and I'm almost worried the desk will collapse with this on it. I might end up getting the HP cabinet/stand designed specifically for this machine.

                              Thanks

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