British Soldier

[fixthecopier]

Re: British Soldier

If that be the case, then it would do the military good to remove the word 'Evangelical Christians' from that document listing them as 'greater threat to internal Security' than any other group. They could instead substitute it with carefully chosen words such as, 'Certain elements within some religious organizations here in the US.....'.
Secondly, I don't understand why your government should allow 'these certain elements' to stockpile guns and ammo to overthrow a government they do not agree with. Do they have 'to agree with all governments' of the world? Why don't they allow citizens of a certain country to enjoy their rights under a government they have freely elected/chosen on their own?

As far as guns, you are now talking about out right to own them, and you do not have to take a test to see what your beliefs are to buy one, that was debated in a different thread.

As far as overthrowing the government, that kind of goes back to my post about education. The less educated a society is,the easier they are to control. We have an element in our country , as many western countries do, that is right wing, to the point of believing that when things don't go their way in politics, it is a conspiracy and not the fault of a country that gives diplomas to high school kids who can't read and write. This uneducated element of society is easy to control. When things go wrong with your political policies, it makes itvery easy to lie about why it happened when your people don't even understand the basics of how their own government works.

[DAG COPIERS & COMPUTERS]

Re: British Soldier

As far as guns, you are now talking about out right to own them, and you do not have to take a test to see what your beliefs are to buy one, that was debated in a different thread.

As far as overthrowing the government, that kind of goes back to my post about education. The less educated a society is,the easier they are to control. We have an element in our country , as many western countries do, that is right wing, to the point of believing that when things don't go their way in politics, it is a conspiracy and not the fault of a country that gives diplomas to high school kids who can't read and write. This uneducated element of society is easy to control. When things go wrong with your political policies, it makes itvery easy to lie about why it happened when your people don't even understand the basics of how their own government works.

Well, I wouldn't question your right to own guns there, knowing very well that it is your constitutional right to do so. I think I was 'misled' by your use (or 'misuse'?) of the English word 'stockpiling', which I interpreted to mean 'a LARGE supply of guns and ammo that is kept to be used in future for something'. I didn't know that you people there are even allowed to own as many guns and as much ammo as one can possibly stockpile. Honestly I thought a citizen was allowed one or two for personal protection.
But I totally agree with your assertion that 'uneducated elements of society is easy to control'. Unfortunately, they are the majority, especially in third world countries.

[DWise]

Re: British Soldier

I would support making voters take a test to vote. If you do not know the basics of how your country is run, you don't vote. That position is considered racist in my country as minorities score lower on test. Letting uneducated people make decisions is part of the problem.

This is a great suggestion! Just one problem, we would need the uneducated voters to approve of it first.

[fixthecopier]

Re: British Soldier

Well, I wouldn't question your right to own guns there, knowing very well that it is your constitutional right to do so. I think I was 'misled' by your use (or 'misuse'?) of the English word 'stockpiling', which I interpreted to mean 'a LARGE supply of guns and ammo that is kept to be used in future for something'. I didn't know that you people there are even allowed to own as many guns and as much ammo as one can possibly stockpile. Honestly I thought a citizen was allowed one or two for personal protection.
But I totally agree with your assertion that 'uneducated elements of society is easy to control'. Unfortunately, they are the majority, especially in third world countries.

DAG, I have known people who have a buried room full of guns, and they will tell you that they are waiting for the revolution.

[Lagonda]

Re: British Soldier

The ones they are talking about are the same ones who are stockpiling guns and ammo to overthrow a government they don't agree with. That is no big secret. They will tell you that is why they buy guns. It is not referring to everyone who goes to church. If you do the research on white supremacy in America, you will find that they all claim to be gods children. That is who the military claims is a threat.

Many muslims in the NRA?

[DAG COPIERS & COMPUTERS]

Re: British Soldier

DAG, I have known people who have a buried room full of guns, and they will tell you that they are waiting for the revolution.

I can honestly say that you people are very lucky to be citizens of, and living in a civilized\ developed world. In my country here, and I believe in several other 'undeveloped'/or third world countries, the above information you hold is so vital to the national security that it is an obligation to report it immediately to the nearest police station next to you i.e pass the info to the govt. ASAP. The culprits in possession of these dangerous goods to national security would be immediately arrested and charged with very high TREASON, triable only in the High Court, an Un-bailable charge, possible even in a military court.
And you, who, in possession of the info, knowingly fail to pass it over to the government, will be equally arrested as an accomplice in the crime and charged with something like 'mis-prison of information?' or something like that....(I can't remember the legal terminology well). It is two different, far apart worlds we are living in.

[fixthecopier]

Re: British Soldier

I can honestly say that you people are very lucky to be citizens of, and living in a civilized\ developed world. In my country here, and I believe in several other 'undeveloped'/or third world countries, the above information you hold is so vital to the national security that it is an obligation to report it immediately to the nearest police station next to you i.e pass the info to the govt. ASAP. The culprits in possession of these dangerous goods to national security would be immediately arrested and charged with very high TREASON, triable only in the High Court, an Un-bailable charge, possible even in a military court.
And you, who, in possession of the info, knowingly fail to pass it over to the government, will be equally arrested as an accomplice in the crime and charged with something like 'mis-prison of information?' or something like that....(I can't remember the legal terminology well). It is two different, far apart worlds we are living in.

My wifes cousin is one of those far right nuts, and I actually get along with him,as long as politics are not discussed. At any given time he may have half a dozen assault weapons. He buys and sells them all the time. He has told me that he and his father both have at least 50,000 rounds of ammo. If I called and reported this to the police, they would probably yell at me for wasting their time. I have a picture of one of my boys holding an Uzi when he was 13. I also have a copier in a gun store on the military base so soldiers can buy their own guns and take them home.

I do not want to divert from the subject of the thread.

As far as foreigners imigrating to other countries, I am old fashion. Before being allowed to do so, you should speak the language. You should also be made aware of the rights of citizens in that country, and agree that you understand and will follow them.

If the person trying to immigrate violates any agreement while waiting to be a citizen, deport them, this includes participating in protest, because if you are not a citizen,and you are marching in the street, GET OUT!

If you become a citizen and break the law,you must be treated like everyone else.

I also believe if you have high unemployment in your country you may want to stop letting people in.


I have long believed that issues like this are used to divert the publics attention from things they should be outraged at. For example, while all of this was going on,the US military gave itself the power to patrol American streets. This has not been allowed for 200 years. It seems nobody noticed. Now all those people who are arming themselves for the revolution may want to rethink their firepower , because the gov has some bad ass shit. Here is the story...

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US Military Grants Itself the Power to Police American Streets and "Quell" "Civil Disturbances"

posted by BRENDAN KILEY on THU, MAY 16, 2013 at 10:45 AM

The Long Island Press has noticed that the US military has quietly given itself the power to police Americans and "quell... civil disturbances."

without obtaining prior local or state consent, upending a precedent that has been in place for more than two centuries.
The most objectionable aspect of the regulatory change is the inclusion of According to the rule:
Federal military commanders have the authority, in extraordinary emergency circumstances where prior authorization by the President is impossible and duly constituted local authorities are unable to control the situation, to engage temporarily in activities that are necessary to quell large-scale, unexpected civil disturbances.
the long-standing presumption that the military is under civilian control

So... does this mean America is now living under the hair-trigger threat of martial law? And what rises to the level of "civil disturbance"?

[fixthecopier]

Re: British Soldier

Many muslims in the NRA?

Now that would be interesting if they started joining, and then showing up at meetings armed, like the other members do...

[DAG COPIERS & COMPUTERS]

Re: British Soldier

Very interesting, and yet puzzling to me at the same time!
1- The police yelling at you for wasting their time 'to report what we consider here a treasonable crime'.
2- The US military patrolling the streets of 'New york' city to aid the civil police to quell riot, restore and maintain law and order.....in effect usurping the people's power! The irony of all this is that when a 3rd world country pours its soldiers on the street in order to aid its police to restore and maintain law and order, the western governments are often very swift in their condemnation of our governments, asking them to immediately remove soldiers from the streets and allow civil police to handle the riots. Its amazing, since i thought what is good for the geese is good for the gander.'

[BLADE]

Re: British Soldier

Now that would be interesting if they started joining, and then showing up at meetings armed, like the other members do...

great comment, with AK47s ?

[Iowatech]

Re: British Soldier

Huh, this went differently than I expected after I found my input wasn't appreciated.
Still, godspeed to the solder that died there.

[Hansoon]

Re: British Soldier

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Tony Blair:

"The Islamic terrorists who kill people have the silent support of many more in their community who share their ideology, if not their methods."

That's what I meant to say. Nothing else.

The full text here:

http://www.tonyblairoffice.org/news/entry/the-ideology-behind-lee-rigbys-murder-is-profound-and-dangerous.-we-must-ta

Hans

[fixthecopier]

Re: British Soldier

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Tony Blair:

"The Islamic terrorists who kill people have the silent support of many more in their community who share their ideology, if not their methods."

That's what I meant to say. Nothing else.

The full text here:

The ideology behind Lee Rigby?s murder is profound and dangerous. We must take on this extremism. | Latest News | The Office of Tony Blair

Hans

That is a generic statement. You can remove the word Islamic, and substitute any religion. I substituted "Christian", while thinking about abortion clinics. If thinking about the West Bank, Jewish also works.

You can also sub "white racist" and have a correct statement. Here is one from America. His head and his arm severed. Murder of James Byrd, Jr. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


My point is not to back you against a wall. It seems we all know about the extremist and what they are capable of, and that there are 100 quietly sitting back supporting every lunatic. Now what are the solutions?

[DAG COPIERS & COMPUTERS]

Re: British Soldier

Horrific, gruesome death! Of late I have been giving a second thought to the biblical 'Law of Moses'; 'eye for an eye, tooth for tooth etc'. It must have kept that society free of crimes...at least the most heinous ones. I don't know much about the Islamic 'Sharia law', but I hear it is a 'copy cat' of the 'Law of Moses', or atleast a modified version of it. But I am aware that countries like Saudi Arabia that implement and practice these laws are free from serious crimes like murder, theft etc. their other shortcomings not withstanding.
During the dark part of my country's history, between 1971 to 1979, the country experienced a serious wave of crimes, especially in the immediate aftermath of the coup, in 1971, by the military junta headed by General Idi Amin.
Violent daylight robbery and car-jacking by armed thugs, commonly refrered to as 'Kondoism' was very rampant. The General, 'borrowing' from his Islamic and military background, signed an order or 'decree' allowing the security forces 'to shoot on sight' any robber, or persons implicated in robbery. Many robbers were killed in this way, and by 'firing squad' by the junta's army. RESULT: In less than two months, the vice was wiped off the country, and 'kondoism' became history. But anyway, one man's meat is another man's poison.

[fixthecopier]

Re: British Soldier

Dag, as far as "an eye for an eye" goes, does that really matter when the criminal is committing the crime for his religion, knows he his doing it for his god, and has been told that a reward awaits him when he is killed. He will laugh and beg for death.


Now if you want to be a creative problem solver, a story has it that when American General Black Jack Pershing was in the Philippines and was having trouble with Islamist rebels in the early part of the 20th century, he had a group of the rebel trouble makers rounded up, slaughtered a pig, dipped bullets in the pig blood, and executed all but one of them. The survivor was set free to spread the word about how rebels were now being executed. There was little to no problems from the rebels for a long time. That is an example of how to counter the promise of afterlife reward. Make them believe they will never see it.