Used Canon IR C5185 - 1st print good, 10the page OK, 14th page more dirty etc.

**zoraldinho** · 02-18-2015, 08:28 AM

Re: Used Canon IR C5185 - 1st print good, 10the page OK, 14th page more dirty etc.

Hi David,

It's look like drum issue.You are not a tech I suppose.

Print CMYK test to see which drum is bad.From the pic I suppose is black.

**canonbundy** · 02-18-2015, 12:38 PM

Re: Used Canon IR C5185 - 1st print good, 10the page OK, 14th page more dirty etc.

Originally posted by dditzler

I got a used Canon IR C5185. I've only printed a few pages at a time before and the prints look good. Tonight I printed a 70 page book (35 pieces of paper, duplexed) and the pages kept getting more dirty looking as it went along only on one edge.

When I print another book it looked fine in the beginning and then the same thing starts up and one edge gets more and more dirty until I reach the end of the book.

Any ideas?

The paper is 32# hammermill and the paper setting is Heavy1. Also paper was loaded in portrait orientation so the dark part is on the edge closest the front of the machine.

I attached an image showing how the prints got more dirty.

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Thank you
-david

Check SRV MODE > COPIER > MISC this will give you the Drum Life if 300+ replace, check COUNTER DRBL1 and replace ITB Cleaner/Blade if over 100.

**dditzler** · 02-18-2015, 04:28 PM

Re: Used Canon IR C5185 - 1st print good, 10the page OK, 14th page more dirty etc.

Originally posted by zoraldinho

Hi David,

It's look like drum issue.You are not a tech I suppose.

Print CMYK test to see which drum is bad.From the pic I suppose is black.

No I am not a tech. I am mainly a photographer and a designer. I used to be a tech for AST scanners and laser printers back in the mid 80's .

The last log in the service log I got with the machine was replace black drum. I will check how many prints have been put on since then.

It looks like I can get a drum online for about $150 is that a good price? Are there resources through this site to buy supplies?

thanks again for all your help.
-david

**dditzler** · 03-11-2015, 02:14 AM

Re: Used Canon IR C5185 - 1st print good, 10the page OK, 14th page more dirty etc.

Originally posted by canonbundy

Check SRV MODE > COPIER > MISC this will give you the Drum Life if 300+ replace, check COUNTER DRBL1 and replace ITB Cleaner/Blade if over 100.

I am guessing from these two screens that I need all new drums for the 3 colors (CMY). It looks like Black is OK. According to the service log that was replaced about 22,500 pages ago. I am guessing the other ones at 111 are some sort of feed rollers?

I found drums from here is that a good place to buy them?

thanks
-david

C5185.JPG C5185-2.JPG

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**teckat** · 03-11-2015, 03:29 AM

Re: Used Canon IR C5185 - 1st print good, 10the page OK, 14th page more dirty etc.

Originally posted by dditzler

I am guessing from these two screens that I need all new drums for the 3 colors (CMY). It looks like Black is OK. According to the service log that was replaced about 22,500 pages ago. I am guessing the other ones at 111 are some sort of feed rollers?

I found drums from here is that a good place to buy them?

thanks
-david

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*****
That company charges too much.
Call a Canon Authorize Dealership in your area & order them.

%Readings for Drums on this series is unreliable.
Canon uses a weak calucated formula.

**dditzler** · 03-11-2015, 12:55 PM

Re: Used Canon IR C5185 - 1st print good, 10the page OK, 14th page more dirty etc.

Originally posted by teckat

*****
That company charges too much.
Call a Canon Authorize Dealership in your area & order them.

%Readings for Drums on this series is unreliable.
Canon uses a weak calucated formula.

Thanks again for all your help!

Do you have an idea of what I should be paying for these? If you want you send a PM instead of posting.

So You think I will need all three color drums to fix my problem? I don't want to spend $750 and not have it solve the problem.

thanks
-david

**teckat** · 03-11-2015, 03:43 PM

Re: Used Canon IR C5185 - 1st print good, 10the page OK, 14th page more dirty etc.

Originally posted by dditzler

Thanks again for all your help!

Do you have an idea of what I should be paying for these? If you want you send a PM instead of posting.

So You think I will need all three color drums to fix my problem? I don't want to spend $750 and not have it solve the problem.

thanks
-david

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Pictures use a lot of toner / >>
?? how old & what is the condition of Fix Unit (expensive item)

Note: Register the Cassette or Cassettes as Heavy1 setting when doing Auto Gradation Adjustment/

1) Clean up the reading glass on the machine's copyboard.
2) Put A4/LTR plain paper in Cassette 1.
3) Put A4/LTR Heavy paper in Cassette 2.
4) Press [Registration].
5) Select [Common Settings] > [Register Paper Type] of > [Cassette 1] >
[Plain] .
6) Select [Common Settings] > [Register Paper Type] of > [Cassette 2] > or
[Heavy].
7) Enter the Service Mode.
Select COPIER > OPTION > BODY > PASCAL.
8) Check that the setup value is '1'.
9) Press [RESET] twice and get out from the service mode.
10) Press [Registration].
11) Select [Adjustment / Cleaning] > [Automatic Gradation Adjustment] >
[Plain]or [Heavy] > [Full Adjust] > [Test Print 1].

Those drums will start to dump toner when old./

it also depends on what amount of usage on paper

Canon measures Toner % usage at between 5/6% B & W text Letter page coverage.
see example pdf.

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**dditzler** · 03-12-2015, 02:37 PM

Re: Used Canon IR C5185 - 1st print good, 10the page OK, 14th page more dirty etc.

Originally posted by teckat

*****
That company charges too much.
Call a Canon Authorize Dealership in your area & order them.

%Readings for Drums on this series is unreliable.
Canon uses a weak calucated formula.

I called a few Canon Authorized Dealers and some all-brand copier repair places in Chicago. Prices ranged from $390 to $245/ea for the color drums.

The authorized Canon place quoted me $384/ea but told me if I bought all three at once the price they could knock 15% off for $326/ea.

One place told me to look on Amazon and gave me the Canon Part Numbers. The come to about $258/ea for the colors on Amazon.

Drum units for C5185
Cyan = 0257B001AA
Magenta = 0256B001AA
Yellow = 0255B001AA
Black = 0258B001AA

If you have a better place to look I am all ears.

thanks
-david

**MFPTech** · 03-12-2015, 03:01 PM

Re: Used Canon IR C5185 - 1st print good, 10the page OK, 14th page more dirty etc.

That's always the case when people buy used cheap stuff and they end up paying a high price for drums, transfer belts, cleaning blades, fusers, etc. It's important to check the life of those items before buying the machine because as you can see those items are not cheap, moreover i would stay away from that model. If an error happens to the fuser you are looking at $1500 just for a refurbished one! Cut the loses and get rid of it. I would rather buy the older model iRC 3200.
I wish you had asked here first before buying it. Anyway, one of the places where you can get the drums etc is Precision Rollers or try an independent tech and they might have resources for better pricing. Good luck!

**dditzler** · 03-12-2015, 06:02 PM

Re: Used Canon IR C5185 - 1st print good, 10the page OK, 14th page more dirty etc.

Originally posted by MFPTech

That's always the case when people buy used cheap stuff and they end up paying a high price for drums, transfer belts, cleaning blades, fusers, etc. It's important to check the life of those items before buying the machine because as you can see those items are not cheap, moreover i would stay away from that model. If an error happens to the fuser you are looking at $1500 just for a refurbished one! Cut the loses and get rid of it. I would rather buy the older model iRC 3200.
I wish you had asked here first before buying it. Anyway, one of the places where you can get the drums etc is Precision Rollers or try an independent tech and they might have resources for better pricing. Good luck!

Thanks for comments.

Background...
I found this unit at a church that was given it from another church as a donation when they got their new machine. The second church, and the one I bought it from, never powered it on and they didn't know much about it and they didn't have power to it at the time. I told the seller my concern and he said they were more interested in getting rid of it so I got it for $300. It came with 3 extra sets of toner as well. Because it was not powered on he said he would give me my money back if it didn't work out for me and I could keep the copier. It sounded like a deal I couldn't pass up. It currently has 736k prints on it.

According to the service logs I got with the printer...

FUSER

April '12 - replaced fuser (433k prints) first record of fuser replaced
Dec '12 - replaced fuser (552k)
Feb '13 - replaced fuser (586k) thought previous was bad

DRUM - Black

This seems to last about 100k prints consistently

DRUM - Magenta

This seems to last about 100-150k prints

DRUM - Yellow & Cyan

This seems to last about 200k - 300k each

Intended use
I plan on using this to print booklets for some of my clients. They have a mixture of color and B&W photos and range from 20-80pages printed both sides. I usually print up to 10 copies at a time. I also want to make some greeting cards for another client (Kromekote 12pt C1S) and photo books and calendars in small quantities. I don't need the speed of this machine or any of the advanced finishing options. I want good quality, cheap consumables and great paper handling, at least tabloid size, duplex and occupational thicker stock. Also short-run promotional stuff 1-10 copies in larger sizes.

My thinking was that the toner is reasonably priced and so are the drums when compared to a desktop printer. Comparing desktop printer toner rated at 6k prints to 38k for the C5185. To buy a desktop printer that prints tabloid they start over 3k new. My hope was to get a used copier/printer for the cheaper consumables. I don't plan on printer high volume but I do like the paper options and capabilities. Speed is awesome but just icing on the cake and won't matter for my volume.

SO now comes the decision. I have narrowed it down to a few obvious options...

Contact the seller and tell him I need to put too much money into this to make it work properly
Buy a Magenta drum for $175 and wait to replace the other color drums, use it until I need a fixer
Sell as is with one set of extra toners, sell extra toner online help to recoup money

If you have other recommendations I am all ears?

My thought is to put the magenta drum in it and see how long I can use it. Based on what I've seen I might be able to get some more use out of it with just replacing that drum. I am sure I am printing more graphics that the church was so maybe I will have to replace all color drums to get it to work the way I want.

If a used iRC 3200 is the way to go then I could look for one of those.

THANKS AGAIN!

cheers
-david

**MFPTech** · 03-14-2015, 01:57 PM

Re: Used Canon IR C5185 - 1st print good, 10the page OK, 14th page more dirty etc.

The fuser history looks scary to me. iRC 3200 is way too old and there might be a problem with the drivers.
A color machine on T&M - not such a good idea.

Used Canon IR C5185 - 1st print good, 10the page OK, 14th page more dirty etc.

Used Canon IR C5185 - 1st print good, 10the page OK, 14th page more dirty etc.

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