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  • nelo
    Technician
    • Apr 2019
    • 32

    Bizhub C250i " Black Toner Low" message

    Hello All, I did a new install and also installed the toner bottle modification kit that came with the machine. The machine was used for 2 days with 500+ prints and displayed the message on the third day. My customer called reporting the issue.

    I went to site and confirmed the toner black bottle still full about 3/4 left. I checked the black toner hopper and is also full but the black toner level indicator on the top right shows no toner / very low toner. I went into service mode and checked all level history for cmy & k are all at 6.5 - 6.7 %. I upgraded the firmware to the latest but nothing seems to change.

    I am suspecting the toner level actuator in the black toner hopper must be jammed at the toner low level area causing the machine to display the message but before pulling any covers out to vacuum the black toner hopper out to free the actuator, I'd like to seek any ideas / solutions for similar issue that might assist me fix the machine.

    Regards
  • Bix
    Service Manager

    1,000+ Posts
    • Apr 2018
    • 1421

    #2
    Re: Bizhub C250i " Black Toner Low" message

    Hi Nelo, the modification kit serves when the C250i does not detect the presence of toner. So I don't think that's the problem.


    Not having sensors to detect the amount of toner, sometimes it happens that the almost finished toner message appears but the machine continues to go.
    Does the printer stop? If the answer is no, you wait for it to resolve with next toner replacement.


    Maybe a dipswitch is available but at the moment I'm don't know

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    • tsbservice
      Field tech

      Site Contributor
      5,000+ Posts
      • May 2007
      • 7634

      #3
      Re: Bizhub C250i " Black Toner Low" message

      Check Service manual from memory there's Engine FW DIP switch to reset this.
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      • nelo
        Technician
        • Apr 2019
        • 32

        #4
        Re: Bizhub C250i " Black Toner Low" message

        Originally posted by tsbservice
        Check Service manual from memory there's Engine FW DIP switch to reset this.
        Thank you All.

        I was able to get the dipsw settings and procedures how to go about it and resolved the issue.

        Thanks agian.

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        • Phil B.
          Field Supervisor

          10,000+ Posts
          • Jul 2016
          • 22808

          #5
          Re: Bizhub C250i " Black Toner Low" message

          Originally posted by nelo
          Thank you All.

          I was able to get the dipsw settings and procedures how to go about it and resolved the issue.

          Thanks agian.
          great! thanks for the update!

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          • nelo
            Technician
            • Apr 2019
            • 32

            #6
            Re: Bizhub C250i " Black Toner Low" message

            Originally posted by tsbservice
            Check Service manual from memory there's Engine FW DIP switch to reset this.
            Thanks! I was able to fix this issue in the Enhanced Security Mode.

            Regards

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            • copier tech
              Field Supervisor

              5,000+ Posts
              • Jan 2014
              • 7930

              #7
              Re: Bizhub C250i " Black Toner Low" message

              Originally posted by nelo
              Thank you All.

              I was able to get the dipsw settings and procedures how to go about it and resolved the issue.

              Thanks agian.

              Hi,

              Could you hare these DIP SW settings this will help others who may have this issue.
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              • tsbservice
                Field tech

                Site Contributor
                5,000+ Posts
                • May 2007
                • 7634

                #8
                Re: Bizhub C250i " Black Toner Low" message

                Engine FW DIP switch 31-34. As I said it's in manual.
                A tree is known by its fruit, a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost, he who sows courtesy, reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love.
                Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.

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                • SAR
                  Trusted Tech

                  100+ Posts
                  • Jul 2009
                  • 182

                  #9
                  Re: Bizhub C250i " Black Toner Low" message

                  Thank you for posting this. That toner reset mode is a nice feature. I had a customer we had to give an aftermarket toner because of the shortage and it would not reset. Used the Engine FW DIP switch to reset the toner cartridge and it is working great now.
                  Here are the
                  Engine FW DIP switch numbers for each color:
                  31=Y
                  32=M
                  33=C
                  34=K

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                  • emujo2
                    Service Manager

                    1,000+ Posts
                    • Mar 2017
                    • 1580

                    #10
                    Re: Bizhub C250i " Black Toner Low" message

                    This only applies to the A3 machines, A4s are a different switch..E

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                    • tsbservice
                      Field tech

                      Site Contributor
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                      • May 2007
                      • 7634

                      #11
                      Re: Bizhub C250i " Black Toner Low" message

                      Originally posted by emujo2
                      This only applies to the A3 machines, A4s are a different switch..E
                      You are barrking on wrong thread Ed. Please stay in line.
                      A tree is known by its fruit, a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost, he who sows courtesy, reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love.
                      Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.

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                      • emujo2
                        Service Manager

                        1,000+ Posts
                        • Mar 2017
                        • 1580

                        #12
                        Re: Bizhub C250i " Black Toner Low" message

                        I'm not sure why you think this..I just went through this with a tech..He has the softswitch list posted in this thread..Went to a C4050i with a bad toner bottle..put a used bottle in and tried to reset the 0%..Has to call SSD to find out that the desktops are a different switch. E

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                        • tsbservice
                          Field tech

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                          5,000+ Posts
                          • May 2007
                          • 7634

                          #13
                          Re: Bizhub C250i " Black Toner Low" message

                          Originally posted by emujo2
                          I'm not sure why you think this..I just went through this with a tech..He has the softswitch list posted in this thread..Went to a C4050i with a bad toner bottle..put a used bottle in and tried to reset the 0%..Has to call SSD to find out that the desktops are a different switch. E
                          I don't see C4050i mentioned in this thread, it's about C250i and as I already noted those switches are found in bizhub C250i service manual....doesn't mean "by default" it is common with A4 color i models.
                          As a side note - maybe you can use
                          Engine Switch No.6 for C4050i for similar purpose.
                          A tree is known by its fruit, a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost, he who sows courtesy, reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love.
                          Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.

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                          • emujo2
                            Service Manager

                            1,000+ Posts
                            • Mar 2017
                            • 1580

                            #14
                            Re: Bizhub C250i " Black Toner Low" message

                            I'm sorry..... does anyone else have an issue with me mentioning that this is not the right switch for the desktop models???

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                            • copier tech
                              Field Supervisor

                              5,000+ Posts
                              • Jan 2014
                              • 7930

                              #15
                              Re: Bizhub C250i " Black Toner Low" message

                              Originally posted by emujo2
                              This only applies to the A3 machines, A4s are a different switch..E
                              Do you happen to know what the Eng SW are for the A4 pls ?

                              (Am away from my desk)

                              Let us eat, drink, and be merry, because tomorrow we may die!

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