[Misc] P6,7,8,9 and 21

[gulfcartman]

Dear Forum
C200 I have tried to bypass image stabilization because I know all consumable items are within specifications. But the machines memory, other than changing the board which I didn't want to do. I have a parts machine here at the office. Anyway is there anyone out there who knows how to get by this image stabilization process.
V/R
Alan

[allan]

Re: P6,7,8,9 and 21

I don't think your print engine is producing any image.
Does it continually run stabilization?
That is not something you can switch off.
Did you try trouble reset?
What is the Level history for IDCS 1 and 2?

[fixthecopier]

Re: P6,7,8,9 and 21

Is the machine like new or old and worn out?

Does it have 10,000 copies or 500.000?

How much life on the belt and IU's? Have they been chipped?


Better posting info will get you better responses.

[szanka]

Re: P6,7,8,9 and 21

Have you cleaned IDC sensors?

[gulfcartman]

Re: P6,7,8,9 and 21

Dear Forum
C200 I have tried to bypass image stabilization because I know all consumable items are within specifications. But the machines memory, other than changing the board which I didn't want to do. I have a parts machine here at the office. Anyway is there anyone out there who knows how to get by this image stabilization process.
V/R
Alan

Total Copies
138331
Black
78374
Full Color
59957
The IU are all good. The machine was making great copies. I was doing some preventative maintenance, ie cleaning the IDC sensors front and rear. Initially I replaced the fuse in the Transfer Belt and the machine worked for a while. Now it seems to be locked up in this P,6,7,8,9 and 21 mode.
As far as have the IU's been chipped. How could I verify this? Any and all suggestions appreciated.
V/R
Alan

[fixthecopier]

Re: P6,7,8,9 and 21

I am assuming you do not have a service history on this machine.

[Synaux]

Re: P6,7,8,9 and 21

Total Copies
138331
Black
78374
Full Color
59957
The IU are all good. The machine was making great copies. I was doing some preventative maintenance, ie cleaning the IDC sensors front and rear. Initially I replaced the fuse in the Transfer Belt and the machine worked for a while. Now it seems to be locked up in this P,6,7,8,9 and 21 mode.
As far as have the IU's been chipped. How could I verify this? Any and all suggestions appreciated.
V/R
Alan

Solution ID 2  Solution Usage TAUS0808340EN*
Description
 P-6, P-7, P-8, P-9, P-21 alert codes. 
Solution
 PROBABLE CAUSES: 
 1. Wheninstalling the DF-612 and connecting the DF harness to the MFBU board, the flat cables (CN17 and CN18) may be inadvertently moved in their
connectors. As a result, alert codes are indicated due to poor connection of the flat cable(s). 
 After setting up document feeder, please check that the flat cables are properly connected. Replace the MFBU board (p/n A02F PP11 00 - Control board) if it
has failed. Please refer to the attached documentation for more detail. To view a PDF, Adobe Reader® must be installed. Adobe Reader® can be
downloaded for free from the Adobe® web site at:  http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html . 
  SPECIAL NOTE : Solution contribution by KMBT (Japan). 
  
 2. PH is removed from fixing plate of main body. Skew adjustment gear is not meshed properly (see attached photo). 
   Push thefront side of the PH into PH fixing plate after removing the IU from MFP.   
     Note  :  Design of the PH fixing plateis being changed. A Parts Modification Notice will be released when fixing plate has been modified.         
  SPECIAL NOTE : Solution contribution by KMBT (Japan).

Also, if the IUs were chipped you are most like getting at least a some quality degradation.
Clear all those P codes and and monitor the counters in service mode - some of those codes could be from a very long time ago.
And inspect/clean the Tranf Belt and the IDC sensors again.

[gulfcartman]

Re: P6,7,8,9 and 21

Solution ID 2  Solution Usage TAUS0808340EN*
Description
 P-6, P-7, P-8, P-9, P-21 alert codes. 
Solution
 PROBABLE CAUSES: 
 1. Wheninstalling the DF-612 and connecting the DF harness to the MFBU board, the flat cables (CN17 and CN18) may be inadvertently moved in their
connectors. As a result, alert codes are indicated due to poor connection of the flat cable(s). 
 After setting up document feeder, please check that the flat cables are properly connected. Replace the MFBU board (p/n A02F PP11 00 - Control board) if it
has failed. Please refer to the attached documentation for more detail. To view a PDF, Adobe Reader® must be installed. Adobe Reader® can be
downloaded for free from the Adobe® web site at:  http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html . 
  SPECIAL NOTE : Solution contribution by KMBT (Japan). 
  
 2. PH is removed from fixing plate of main body. Skew adjustment gear is not meshed properly (see attached photo). 
   Push thefront side of the PH into PH fixing plate after removing the IU from MFP.   
     Note  :  Design of the PH fixing plateis being changed. A Parts Modification Notice will be released when fixing plate has been modified.         
  SPECIAL NOTE : Solution contribution by KMBT (Japan).

Also, if the IUs were chipped you are most like getting at least a some quality degradation.
Clear all those P codes and and monitor the counters in service mode - some of those codes could be from a very long time ago.
And inspect/clean the Tranf Belt and the IDC sensors again.

Dear Fix the copier and Synaux
Thank you for the input. Because I am getting all of the imaging units in error, I am going to check that ribbon cable that goes up behind the DF. Thinking back on everything I had some problems with the DF so I'll check that first. As far as the IDC sensors, they have been cleaned and cleaned again. But I believe what I'm going to find is a bad connection from ribbon cable to board under glass, which will not allow lasers to form image on transfer belt so IDC can take measurement. I'll keep you all posted on progress.

[fixthecopier]

Re: P6,7,8,9 and 21

If the IU's had been chipped, the machine recalibrated itself as though they were new. Also it is common to change the fuse in the transfer belt when it needs to be changed. The Konica stuff can sometimes go double its life. Sometimes if fails shortly after being reset. That is why I was inquiring about history of machine. If this were a contract call from my shop, I can used how old the IU's, and history of service calls in troubleshooting. The posting from Synaux for example, if call history showed another tech removing the df for any reason, right before these codes showed up, then it would be logical to start there. I have very few of these that I work on, however others at my shop have had to change the print units on some of these.

[gulfcartman]

Re: P6,7,8,9 and 21

If the IU's had been chipped, the machine recalibrated itself as though they were new. Also it is common to change the fuse in the transfer belt when it needs to be changed. The Konica stuff can sometimes go double its life. Sometimes if fails shortly after being reset. That is why I was inquiring about history of machine. If this were a contract call from my shop, I can used how old the IU's, and history of service calls in troubleshooting. The posting from Synaux for example, if call history showed another tech removing the df for any reason, right before these codes showed up, then it would be logical to start there. I have very few of these that I work on, however others at my shop have had to change the print units on some of these.

Dear Fixthecopier
I appreciate all the info you are giving me. How do you " chip an IU "? The machine I am working on is for myself.
At present I am at a follow up Dr. appointment in Shreveport, La. at the VA hospital. I'll be home this afternoon to check on my problem child " C200"/that is.
Anyway I see in your picture you have a better half, what's your pups name and breed. I have a Golden Retriever named Buddy. He's the best thing that has happened to me in 7 years. Off subject I know hope I didn't violate to many terms of agreement.

[fixthecopier]

Re: P6,7,8,9 and 21

Dear Fixthecopier
I appreciate all the info you are giving me. How do you " chip an IU "? The machine I am working on is for myself.
At present I am at a follow up Dr. appointment in Shreveport, La. at the VA hospital. I'll be home this afternoon to check on my problem child " C200"/that is.
Anyway I see in your picture you have a better half, what's your pups name and breed. I have a Golden Retriever named Buddy. He's the best thing that has happened to me in 7 years. Off subject I know hope I didn't violate to many terms of agreement.

Chipping an IU is common practice on Konica Minolta products. Behind one of the covers on the IU's, look for where the plug is, on replacement IU's, is a small chip that resets the page count. Since it is not uncommon for these to run double or more of their life, you can get chips for maybe 10 to 30 dollars. When you reset the count, the machine calibrates itself as though the IU's are new, when in fact Konica says replace them. A new machine does not have a chip, because the count is 0, so they have to be changed the first time.IU's are run until they have an issue, and sometimes that can be codes.

Pepper is 2. She ate my living room furniture when she was a pup. I have her mother and grandmother along with a 4 pound Chihuahua, and about a dozen cats. Pepper is mixed. Some German Sheppard, some Pit.

[Synaux]

Re: P6,7,8,9 and 21

Chipping an IU is common practice on Konica Minolta products. Behind one of the covers on the IU's, look for where the plug is, on replacement IU's, is a small chip that resets the page count. Since it is not uncommon for these to run double or more of their life, you can get chips for maybe 10 to 30 dollars. When you reset the count, the machine calibrates itself as though the IU's are new, when in fact Konica says replace them. A new machine does not have a chip, because the count is 0, so they have to be changed the first time.IU's are run until they have an issue, and sometimes that can be codes.

Pepper is 2. She ate my living room furniture when she was a pup. I have her mother and grandmother along with a 4 pound Chihuahua, and about a dozen cats. Pepper is mixed. Some German Sheppard, some Pit.

I wonder if this model has the PPLM firmware so you don't have to even chip it...?
That method is far superior to chipping the IUs (1. You always have an accurate counter 2. don't have to buy chips 3. don't have to install chips 4. the machine does not readjust the to a new chip and runs the IU as an old IU and not new; etc).

You can also re-fuse the fuser and tranf belt to get 2-3x life (depending on the quality you require).

[gulfcartman]

Re: P6,7,8,9 and 21

I wonder if this model has the PPLM firmware so you don't have to even chip it...?
That method is far superior to chipping the IUs (1. You always have an accurate counter 2. don't have to buy chips 3. don't have to install chips 4. the machine does not readjust the to a new chip and runs the IU as an old IU and not new; etc).

You can also re-fuse the fuser and tranf belt to get 2-3x life (depending on the quality you require).

What does this PPLM stand for Synaux?

Thanks for the info where can I find this "PPLM"? Chips you are referring about ie;web address, average cost?

[gulfcartman]

Re: P6,7,8,9 and 21

What does this PPLM stand for Synaux?

Thanks for the info where can I find this "PPLM"? Chips you are referring about ie;web address, average cost?

Dear Friends
It was the ribbon cable from CN35 Printer Control Board (PRCB) to CN18 MFBU board (MFBUB). The CN18 wasn't seated correctly. Thanks all for helping me out.

[fixthecopier]

Re: P6,7,8,9 and 21

Dear Friends
It was the ribbon cable from CN35 Printer Control Board (PRCB) to CN18 MFBU board (MFBUB). The CN18 wasn't seated correctly. Thanks all for helping me out.

Glad you resolved the issue. Thanks for posting the solution.