pdf slow printing - ricoh mpc3002

[ApeosMan]

Re: pdf slow printing - ricoh mpc3002

Funny, I remember slow PDF printing being an issue for probably 15 years now.

I had the same problem with Canon machines back then.

The worst part is when you get the almost inevitable "Our old printer worked fine. Your salesman said this new one would be faster, not slower.".

It's tough to explain things like PDF flattening to someone who has no idea of what you're talking about.

PDFs can be produced in so many different ways, and from so many different sources, that they're almost impossible to get a handle on. It's like trying to nail down jello.

Exactly, even I.T. people don't appreciate the process involved to print a complex PDF, Word or PowerPoint document. There are so many variables involved to compile the print job, transmit it and then for the printer to print it onto the page. It's frustrating when someone clueless on the subject tries to argue with you, thinking they know better. Heck I don't argue with a Doctor saying I know better than them....

[qbert69]

Re: pdf slow printing - ricoh mpc3002

WSD is horrible, I've had issues with it on multiple vendor devices, it's really flaky.

Also in regards to Ricoh and Xerox etc 'Class' drivers the reason why they create large spool files is because of the lack of PCL 6 compression that a model specific print driver would have.

When printing problems occur, 9 out of 10 times it is because microsoft auto-installed a "(insert mfg name here) Class Driver" and used the WSD printer port, which BTW is total crap!...microsoft should be strung up for that sh!t!....anyway, if I am in a DHCP environment and everything seems to be running ok, I'll usually install the print driver with the MFP hostname for the port. If the network is static IP then I can use a static IP on the MFP (or hostname!). I always try to get a print driver *specific* for a printer model--it allows more specific options to be used, especially if the MFP is using a finisher!



PS--The only other time a "Printer Offline" error occurs is when SNMP fails...then I just disable SNMP under the port configuration!...shows as back online!

[NeoMatrix]

Re: pdf slow printing - ricoh mpc3002

Adding to the problem when downloading HTML webpages then converted to PDF webpages. Website programmers are deliberately writing Java script that converts to oversize font or redirects CSS pages when people try to save a web HTML page to their local PC. These HTML pages have coded fonts that scale to create a huge PDF file when the user tries to send these pages to a printer. The deliberate over scaled font overlays the normal text and creates garbage in the final print file. The objective of the corrupt font scaling is to make people pay for the information,or to prevent the rendered page information leaving the original website.

Knowing the above creates a moral dilemma. Web users feel they have a right to save the web content information for free; Web page coders feel they have a right to protect their web content and copyright.

No hardware or printer driver will overcome the above coding practices.

[Mark Bbb]

Re: pdf slow printing - ricoh mpc3002

Hello colleagues,
Thank you for all your good answers!
Indeed, it was the wsd and class driver...
It is solved by entering the ip address and the pcl6 Ricoh driver.
Have a nice day further more.
Mark

[KenB]

Re: pdf slow printing - ricoh mpc3002

Hmmm I try to avoid 'Print as Image' as I've found it usually slows things down, maybe I'm wrong, anybody else found this?

I agree completely.

"Print as Image" will help if there are font issues (especially when printing PostScript, as it handles fonts WAY differently than PCL), but just by its nature, it makes for a larger spool file.

While it very well may make the difference between printing or not, don't look to it for an increase in speed.

Doesn't it only make sense that it would be much faster and efficient to call a font rather than sending it dot-by-dot?

[IndependentChrisCT]

Re: pdf slow printing - ricoh mpc3002

Thanks for the solution of removing the Ricoh class driver. That solved the slow pdf printing for me on windows 10. We have a service agreement with Ikon and there suggestion was replace our MPC 3501, or maybe update the firmware. Gah.

Glad to have joined up on this community. I don't have a lot of copier experience, but am experienced in the world of networking, software, and general hardware issues and hope to contribute and learn as I go.

-Regards, Chris

[sturmtrooper]

Re: pdf slow printing - ricoh mpc3002

Only PDF issue I've ever had is when a customer somehow installed the post script driver for their machine, which has no post script option installed. Made the machine spit out a bunch of code errors. About 10 sheets of 11x17 later I discovered this.

Any time we do the printer/driver install I get the latest PCL6 from Ricoh's website and set the machine to print to the printer host name, leave the machine on DHCP. That way when the customer decides to buy a new router, or switch to a new ISP their printer still works.

[slimslob]

Re: pdf slow printing - ricoh mpc3002

Only PDF issue I've ever had is when a customer somehow installed the post script driver for their machine, which has no post script option installed. Made the machine spit out a bunch of code errors. About 10 sheets of 11x17 later I discovered this.

Any time we do the printer/driver install I get the latest PCL6 from Ricoh's website and set the machine to print to the printer host name, leave the machine on DHCP. That way when the customer decides to buy a new router, or switch to a new ISP their printer still works.

Most end users don't know enough about how to do a manual install and merely let Windows automatically install printers. Also a lot of IT people are too lazy to take the time to do a manual install. When Windows does an automatically install you end up with the Ricoh Class Driver and the WSD port.

[copier tech]

Re: pdf slow printing - ricoh mpc3002

WSD port is only good for home users, customers who buy their printer from PC world etc & have zero IT skills, it's designed so they can simply "plug & play" in a 1/2 PC environment & obviously no server.

[mrwho]

Re: pdf slow printing - ricoh mpc3002

Had a customer with a MPC2011 with two computers with the exact same problem. Went to take a look - sure enough, WSD ports and class drivers. Installed PCL5 and TCP/IP port, disabled SNMP for good measure and ta-da! Problem solved!

[qbert69]

Re: pdf slow printing - ricoh mpc3002

The people who implemented WSD and the "Class" drivers should be skinned alive and boiled in their own excrement!!!

With Windows 10, you'd think it would be more "savvy" to go and grab the SPECIFIC print driver for the machine type with accessories!....HELL, even a Ubuntu Linux and Mac OS X does a better job of fetching the correct print driver!

[genco]

Re: pdf slow printing - ricoh mpc3002

Hello,
It takes about 4 minutes to print 3x A3 pages, singel sided, color, PDF format.
From another bundel it took 2 ours for 20 A4 pages, color!
This problem also occured at the very begin, when the printer was installed, then i fixed it with something i can't remeber (yes, really)...
They replaced the server and the problem is back...
Can anybody give us any hints?
Thanks!
Greetings,
Mark

We were having this exact issue on a Ricoh MP C4503 with Word file (with Pics) and PDF's after much testing we just found the issue.

Go to web Image Monitor
Configuration
Interface settings
change ethernet speed from 100Mbs full duplex to Auto Select: Enable 1Gbps

Before a Word Doc of 8.7mb was taking a minute or more to spool, after it took about 15 seconds and no pausing at the machine.

Hope this helps

[Phil B.]

Re: pdf slow printing - ricoh mpc3002

We were having this exact issue on a Ricoh MP C4503 with Word file (with Pics) and PDF's after much testing we just found the issue.

Go to web Image Monitor
Configuration
Interface settings
change ethernet speed from 100Mbs full duplex to Auto Select: Enable 1Gbps

Before a Word Doc of 8.7mb was taking a minute or more to spool, after it took about 15 seconds and no pausing at the machine.

Hope this helps

what if they dont have a gigbit network?

[zed255]

Re: pdf slow printing - ricoh mpc3002

Phil, seen slow network response for both print and scan on Ricoh products due to the gigabit being off, even where the network is 100BaseT. I suspect some compatibility or negotiation issue on some networks.

I enable gigabit Ethernet on all my installs. It will auto select anyhow since you can't force gigabit only.

[Phil B.]

Re: pdf slow printing - ricoh mpc3002

Phil, seen slow network response for both print and scan on Ricoh products due to the gigabit being off, even where the network is 100BaseT. I suspect some compatibility or negotiation issue on some networks.

I enable gigabit Ethernet on all my installs. It will auto select anyhow since you can't force gigabit only.

Ok.. well I'm use to in house gig networks ( last 3 years as company it) the PCs I worked with wouldn't work proper w/o GB cards installed...good info thanks... took past 5 months off after being F**k'd by ex boss.. still in litigation for my likeness STILL being displayed w/ creds.. after MULTIPLE requests/demands for removing from website and fakebook.
Also found out of his multiple requests to buy parts/warranty claims under my Technician # after I notified the maker... all have been removed.. he is in trouble for the attempts, failure to notify manufacturers and vendors ( I did that the day I left [emoji23] )

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