Are you using the right screwdriver?

[category_five]

I always wondered what the dot in the corner of the phillips head screws in Ricoh machines meant. I did some research on it and found that the dot denotes a JIS screw.



Using a normal phillips head driver on a JIS screw will strip the head. Some brands of tools are worse than others. At our company we've found that a #2 phillips drywall bit works better than a regular phillips. It seems to be due to the grooves machined into the angles of the head which grip better.

You may have trouble finding a JIS screwdriver. Moody tools is the only English language site that I have found that advertises their screwdrivers as specifically designed for JIS. There are many RC hobby websites that say that they sell JIS drivers, but these seem to be found as compatible by trial and error, in which case a drywall bit seems to be just as good.

You might say this can all be avoided by using a 5.5mm socket, but there are screws, especially on fusers, that this won't work for. Also finding a 5.5mm socket on a 1/4 hex shank for power drivers is well nigh impossible.

Anyone else have experience with JIS screwdrivers, or know a high quality site that sells a specifically JIS bit?

[category_five]

A phillips bit vs a JIS bit

[Fearless V K]

Plain old #P2 tip works great as a sub.

[category_five]

Plain old #P2 tip works great as a sub.

I don't think I've seen any #p2 bits at my local sears. Does the P stand for precision?

The worst problem I've had was a Pro 906EX fuser where a bronze screw melted like butter as soon as I turned it.

[cobiray]

I never noticed the dots on the screws, but I have known the screws were different than 'Merican phillips head. I remember when the service manager told me that and I thought he was joking until he showed me the screws and drivers side by side. I kinda assumed everyone knew about it since I knew.

[Ricoh-ono]

This is the only screwdriver I need to get through the day.



Cheers!

[Jimbo1]

We always used to use a driver instead of a phillips. You don't strip anything that way and the stubborn ones are a lot easier.

[10871087]

That looks more like a Grayhound (Vodka + Grapefruit) but it should work fine for most field work.

This is the only screwdriver I need to get through the day.



Cheers!

[schooltech]

A guy I worked with loved using Wiha brand screwdrivers. I found that for the toner cartridges I work on, the Ames soft grip DIN screwdrivers fit their screws comfortably. Ames Supply also sells their green handle JIS drivers.

For all of my field work, I use only Snap On screwdrivers, as there is no play in the screw head and they work great. For the Ricoh boxes and other manufacturers that they work on, the 5.5 mm drivers come in very handy.

[copytec]

Ok well this the story:
My first set of screwdrivers is give us a Jap. tech who come the tech us
for the first dry machins (3020,3050 ... long,long "83). He come with
1pcs wood + 2 , 1pcs wood - 4 , 1pcs heavy duty pilers , 1pcs heavy duty long nose pilars evriting from : HOZAN .(IKASWEBSHOP.com -- HOZAN CATALOG DOWNLOAD)
Yeah I must say that is the best screwdrivers I have.
Today I work very well with Swiss screwdrivers made by PB.

[apump]

Wiha makes a real good 5.5 and a good phillips there red and black. I get mine from a company in Atlanta. they also make a bit for a cordless screwdriver that works great for alot of screws to take out. TSA World
website is www.tsaworld.com phone #800-633-6626

[paulg]

A guy I worked with loved using Wiha brand screwdrivers. I found that for the toner cartridges I work on, the Ames soft grip DIN screwdrivers fit their screws comfortably. Ames Supply also sells their green handle JIS drivers.

For all of my field work, I use only Snap On screwdrivers, as there is no play in the screw head and they work great. For the Ricoh boxes and other manufacturers that they work on, the 5.5 mm drivers come in very handy.

Snap on are great if using the JIS heads even better. We were supplied with them and as Engineers lost them or as they wore down many just replaced with anything and it was noticeable it caused so many problems with damaged screws etc.

A good screw jis head and 5.5 magnetic sockets are worth there weight in gold.

Years ago we timed the same tech removing parts (i think it af 551 waste toner recycle unit with a 5.5 magnetic socket driver and then a guy using a bog standard magnetic phlips 2 and the socket was 25 percent if not more faster.

Sadly the company never followed up on it. But I can honestly recomend any Engineer starting out working on the Ricoh Range as others should get a 5.5 socket.

Where i find them very useful is when removing screws on Russian series fusing units and on the adonis range also. The socket allows you to take off the socket where its tighten due to heat and sometimes using a normal driver bit your damage the screw

Also do change your screwdriver tips when they wear down. It will give you a better bite, save in some cases you destroying the screw and also mean Engineers following you wont get annoyed.

Also worth keeping a spare as often i have somehow left the bit at the last customer Stuck in the screw head still

Realising you have no bit once at the next customers and no spares i dont think would be good fun.

[category_five]

Wiha makes a real good 5.5 and a good phillips there red and black. I get mine from a company in Atlanta. they also make a bit for a cordless screwdriver that works great for alot of screws to take out. TSA World
website is www.tsaworld.com phone #800-633-6626

Their web catalog comes up blank in IE and firefox.

I've tried the Wiha short 5.5 magentic nutsetter on a 1/4 inch hex shank, I got mine from fastenal.com, here's the link . It's about 2mm too big on the outer diameter. It fits most stuff but some spots it doesn't fit as good as the felo 5.5 nutdrivers, (but felo doesn't make a 5.5mm power bit for distribution in North America).

Just looking at the fastenal site though, they've added a longer wiha power 5.5mm magnetic nutsetter bit with a 2mm smaller outer diameter in the last year. Looks like I'm going to have to give that one a try. Link to the improved wiha 5.5mm nutsetter with a smaller outer diameter here.

Small issue with the Wiha's though, when my short nutsetters came in the black paint on them hadn't dried yet and they were all sticky. Even now months later they're all still slightly tacky.

[category_five]

Ok well this the story:
My first set of screwdrivers is give us a Jap. tech who come the tech us
for the first dry machins (3020,3050 ... long,long "83). He come with
1pcs wood + 2 , 1pcs wood - 4 , 1pcs heavy duty pilers , 1pcs heavy duty long nose pilars evriting from : HOZAN .(IKASWEBSHOP.com -- HOZAN CATALOG DOWNLOAD)
Yeah I must say that is the best screwdrivers I have.
Today I work very well with Swiss screwdrivers made by PB.

That's fantastic! I had given up on finding the Hozan North American distributor. Thank you very much.

[KopyKat]

That's fantastic! I had given up on finding the Hozan North American distributor. Thank you very much.

And guess what? This place is in our service area. This could be dangerous to my credit card. Yes I'm a tool-aholic.