Tip: MP5000 - double the Cleaning Web lifetime > 2PM intervals

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  • E Winter

    #1

    Tip: MP5000 - double the Cleaning Web lifetime > 2PM intervals

    I'm using these SP setting for most of our MP4000/5000 to expand the cleaning web lifetime over 2PM intervals (>320k). The cleaning effect under normal toner-coverage condition is still excellent and the used oil web doesn't look much more dirty compared to a web that was running with default settings. Also the hot roller looks excellent - yesterday I did a PM at 470k. That machine is still running with it's first hot roller

    Well, here we go with the settings:

    SP1902-03 (Web Motor Time) -> 1.5
    SP1902-04 (Web Near End Setting) -> 95%

    I must say that the fuser is running very well even it's a bit tricky and time spending to PM the unit (if you have to). This would be a top machine if the toner/dev combo would reach or exceed the 160k interval as well, but we have still issues with the (new) toner/dev so most machines needs to be vacced/cleaned ~60-90k after the last PM.
  • mrwho
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    #2
    Thanks. I've already been doing that on the only machine of that family that I service. Nevertheless is good to get some confirmation that someone else is doing it successfuly.
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    • Eric1968
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      • Jan 2009
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      #3
      Didn't know that. Thanks for sharing this tip!

      But when the customer is printing with high toner coverage? Like printing a lot of photo's (like printing newspapers).

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      • secretweapon23
        Technician

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        • Jul 2010
        • 69

        #4
        Originally posted by Jan Sommer
        I'm using these SP setting for most of our MP4000/5000 to expand the cleaning web lifetime over 2PM intervals (>320k). The cleaning effect under normal toner-coverage condition is still excellent and the used oil web doesn't look much more dirty compared to a web that was running with default settings. Also the hot roller looks excellent - yesterday I did a PM at 470k. That machine is still running with it's first hot roller

        Well, here we go with the settings:

        SP1902-03 (Web Motor Time) -> 1.5
        SP1902-04 (Web Near End Setting) -> 95%

        I must say that the fuser is running very well even it's a bit tricky and time spending to PM the unit (if you have to). This would be a top machine if the toner/dev combo would reach or exceed the 160k interval as well, but we have still issues with the (new) toner/dev so most machines needs to be vacced/cleaned ~60-90k after the last PM.
        Hi, is this also applicable for Martini models?
        Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new.....A.E.

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        • nmfaxman
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          #5
          Have you regapped the doctor blade to a tight .35mm?
          I have done this to every Ricoh 35-45 series developer and I no longer have dusting issues.
          A 5 minute adjustment with long term results.
          Why do they call it common sense?

          If it were common, wouldn't everyone have it?

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          • jonezy999
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            #6
            Have you guys seen this thread???
            I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work. ~Thomas Edison

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            • E Winter

              #7
              Originally posted by secretweapon23
              Hi, is this also applicable for Martini models?
              I'm do not service on these machines so you have to check if the SP's are available and give it a try.

              But when the customer is printing with high toner coverage? Like printing a lot of photo's (like printing newspapers).
              I don't have really any "high coverage" customers running this machine so no experiences from my side but I would give it a try.

              Have you regapped the doctor blade to a tight .35mm?
              I recall that this hes been debated here before but I didn't give it a try - will do so thanks for the hint!

              Have you guys seen this thread???
              Ricoh "Field Tech Bulletins"
              Yeah but I prefer to leave the fuser with the oil web - I doubt that the hot roller would last >500k and more with this oil roller mod.

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              • jonezy999
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                #8
                Originally posted by Jan Sommer
                Yeah but I prefer to leave the fuser with the oil web - I doubt that the hot roller would last >500k and more with this oil roller mod.
                It does last quite well, I have 3 machines modded and 2 that I've kept webs in. I still havent had to go back to any of these machines so i couldn't tell you the hot roller count but it was at least 6 months since my first mod and no call backs yet, just shot myself in the foot.
                I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work. ~Thomas Edison

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                • houserman
                  Technician
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 27

                  #9
                  Re: Tip: MP5000 - double the Cleaning Web lifetime > 2PM intervals

                  From what I know SP1902-03 (Web Motor Time) -> default value is 4.2. If you use 1.5 you will have problem with the hot roller because there is not enough oil to lubricate and clean it and finally you will have problems with pressure roller also. I use for web motor time value 2.8 which i think is better and the lifetime of web roller increases with about 50-70 %.

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                  • sandmanmac
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                    #10
                    Re: Tip: MP5000 - double the Cleaning Web lifetime > 2PM intervals

                    Originally posted by jonezy999
                    Yes, but I've had trouble locating a supplier for the AE04 0051 roller to try it. It's been discontinued.
                    Is there a alternate oil roller that can be used?

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                    • Moza
                      Service Manager

                      100+ Posts
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 232

                      #11
                      I have quite a lot of these out and to be honest we dont waste time on oil roller mods or changing SP's just simply remove web and cheat end feeler. Makes no difference as the web really isnt needed on this model at all

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                      • nmfaxman
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                        #12
                        Re: Tip: MP5000 - double the Cleaning Web lifetime > 2PM intervals

                        As long as the press roller cleaning roller is kept clean, I have found no need for the web.

                        Makes me wonder if the web is causing the Toner problems.
                        Why do they call it common sense?

                        If it were common, wouldn't everyone have it?

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                        • milenoman

                          #13
                          Re: Tip: MP5000 - double the Cleaning Web lifetime > 2PM intervals

                          if you have trouble with web, change with oil supply roller with machine af550 it's a simple for maintenace n simple for change part too

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                          • slimslob
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                            #14
                            Re: Tip: MP5000 - double the Cleaning Web lifetime > 2PM intervals

                            Originally posted by sandmanmac
                            Yes, but I've had trouble locating a supplier for the AE04 0051 roller to try it. It's been discontinued.
                            Is there a alternate oil roller that can be used?
                            I believe that this is the oil supply roller for the 550, 700, and 1055.

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                            • milenoman

                              #15
                              Oil supply roller can use for mpc2500 u can use it

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