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  • Rijoh
    Technician
    • Mar 2011
    • 16

    #1

    False jam state in section A

    I'm working on a brand new Ricoh MP 171 copier (new version of the Aficio 1515) it only has 194 copies on and is stuck in a chronic jam state in section "A" only there is no paper anywhere in this machine. The paper feelers are intact and sensors are functioning.
    I pulled the fuser, pcu unit, toner hopper and transfer unit out along with the side door and paper tray. Today I cleared the SC/Jam counter and cleared the memory but still has the same condition. The display says "Open side door and remove paper from section A".

    This is my second attempt and it's kicking my but.......anybody see this before?
    MCSE
  • teebee1234
    Service Manager

    Site Contributor
    1,000+ Posts
    • Jul 2008
    • 1670

    #2
    Do an output check on the sensors, you'll probably find one that isn't changing state.

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    • zed255
      How'd ya manage that?

      1,000+ Posts
      • Dec 2009
      • 1024

      #3
      I've had a couple of instances where the side door switch was dislodged and the actuator hung up on the hole in the frame. It therefore wouldn't 'see' that the door had been opened to reset the condition.

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      • ricoco
        Trusted Tech
        100+ Posts
        • Jan 2011
        • 122

        #4
        Last edited by ricoco; 04-20-2011, 01:48 PM.

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        • Gift
          Service Manager

          1,000+ Posts
          • Mar 2011
          • 2459

          #5
          A faulty door switch might cause some trouble if the machine detects "door open" during operation - it's unlikely for a brand new machine but you'll never know. There's also a black paper guide with a mylar located below the reg roller (right behind the paper feed). I've seen this thingy dislocated a bit - that might cause the reg-sensor feller beeing activated by the mylar if the side door is closed (there's a small cutout at the mylar to prevent this if the paper guide is in it's correct position).

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          • Rijoh
            Technician
            • Mar 2011
            • 16

            #6
            Thanks to all for your replies. I've already done the output checks on the sensors and door switches. I was hoping that someone would have something beyond this.
            I got change of state results from all sensors and switches.
            MCSE

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            • Rijoh
              Technician
              • Mar 2011
              • 16

              #7
              Originally posted by Gift
              A faulty door switch might cause some trouble if the machine detects "door open" during operation - it's unlikely for a brand new machine but you'll never know. There's also a black paper guide with a mylar located below the reg roller (right behind the paper feed). I've seen this thingy dislocated a bit - that might cause the reg-sensor feller beeing activated by the mylar if the side door is closed (there's a small cutout at the mylar to prevent this if the paper guide is in it's correct position).
              This sounds plausible......although I did remove the reg actuator and blocked the sensor to eliminate that but I'll take a second look at it, Thanks!
              MCSE

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              • verderacer
                Trusted Tech

                100+ Posts
                • May 2008
                • 158

                #8
                I second that with Gift. I have seen this issue on both the 161 and 171. Also check alignment of the door too and switch alignment too.
                Ricoh & Microsoft may pay the bills but Un*x saves my ass every day.
                MCSE/CCNE/ENS and other crap...

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