Ricoh 6513 Maintenece

[Guest]

Hi, I recently purchased a Ricoh 6513 copier for a start up cad business. It works well, kind of slow on color, but it was $150. Ive decided to try to make it perfect so ive downloaded a service manual.

I notice during printing its showing slight leftover images and text from the previous page while printing several pages at a time. What could cause this?

Also I notice a very slight smear pattern in the text in the same places every print. when i hit copy and keep the lid open to get a jet black print on 11x17, i notice the areas of very slight white disruptions where that text would be if it was a regular copy, as a pattern on every page. Being uneducated, maybe its the transfer belt?

I took out the toner cartridge last night and all of them are empty except Magenta. Should I check the Developers as well?

Edited to add photos:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30143975@N03/sets/72157629209353945

[Ollie1981]

Re: Ricoh 6513 Maintenece

Firstly are you a trained tech? If you aren't then you are in for a heck of a time with this box as they really aren't forgiving if you don't know what you are doing. First of all whatever you do put the revolver lock pin in place as per the manual before taking out any of the dev units as that thing will break your fingers if you are careless.

It's slow in colour as it isn't a single pass colour machine like newer machines, it's only got one drum and has to develop the latent image for each colour separately by turning the development revolver into position for each colour one by one and build up the image on the transfer belt before feeding the paper through, time and technology have moved on and I for one am thankful.

Sample images would certainly help as I only have limited experience on these machines as I only have one still in the area and the go-to guy in our area for these things retired last year. "Leftover image" sounds like poor fusing and/or poor oil supply to the fuser. Check the fuser rollers, they should be a vivid red, shiny and oily looking. If they are dark red to black and are dull in places then I'd suggest the upper and lower fusing rollers need to be replaced and the oil application assembly needs an overhaul. The fuser is very temperamental on this model, make sure you clean all thermistors and prime it with oil properly before putting it back in the machine.

For the second problem, hard to tell from your description. Basic fault finding procedure with any colour box is to run a single colour copy in each colour individually and a full colour and look if the fault is present on all copies in the same place. If it's only present on one colour then look at the relevent dev unit, if it's present on all then look at the drum itself, drum cleaning unit, transfer belt, transfer cleaning unit or the fuser. To eliminate the fuser open the machine door whilst feeding A3 (or whatever the largest standard size of paper you have) to see if the fault is present after transfer but before the paper goes through the fuser.

[banginbishop]

Re: Ricoh 6513 Maintenece

Hi, I recently purchased a Ricoh 6513 copier for a start up cad business. It works well, kind of slow on color, but it was $150. Ive decided to try to make it perfect so ive downloaded a service manual.

I notice during printing its showing slight leftover images and text from the previous page while printing several pages at a time. What could cause this?

Also I notice a very slight smear pattern in the text in the same places every print. when i hit copy and keep the lid open to get a jet black print on 11x17, i notice the areas of very slight white disruptions where that text would be if it was a regular copy, as a pattern on every page. Being uneducated, maybe its the transfer belt?

I took out the toner cartridge last night and all of them are empty except Magenta. Should I check the Developers as well?

ok, before you get started and YOU will get replies saying $150 pile of junk etc etc accept that you have brought an old machine and it will eat your money. You have to look at it and think how much am i going to spend and when do i say no more money.

1. before looking at items, look at the pm service counters eg. fusers, drums etc - check your service manual. This will give you a rough idea as to the condition of the machine (providing it hasnt been zero'd). If you remove items that you dont know how to remove properly i.e. drum fusers and transfers and you damage them - lots of money - providing you can still get the items.

for the first fault - id look at probably the drum blade or fuser depending on the distance of the ghosting
2nd fault - smear pattern in exact place on every print - then possibly the glass. if it moves then again the drum or fuser.
3rd fault - could be the dev unit, could be a variety of things.

my advice is - YOU HAVE YOUR WORK CUT OUT ON MACHINE THIS SO BE WARNED

[1899]

Re: Ricoh 6513 Maintenece

Thanks, just to clear things up, i mostly use it for printing 11x17 thru the Firery, or scanning with the driver. not copying. the smears (if you can call it that, more like a slight disruption of the text) occur in the same spot every time. I will post photos tonight. Maybe it just needs toner since its empty?

I thought about not buying it but I dont have 1000's for a good unit right now, i want to see how the business turns out first before pouring money into hardware,

also im the kind of guy that takes apart pinball machines so i enjoy working on this kind of stuff (to a point). This is my first copy machine, Ive never seen anything this intricate.

[banginbishop]

Re: Ricoh 6513 Maintenece

fiery - dont do what i did and just turn it off. Power it down properly or screw the HDD and GOOD LUCK

[1899]

Re: Ricoh 6513 Maintenece

fiery - dont do what i did and just turn it off. Power it down properly or screw the HDD and GOOD LUCK

Yea, Im kind of worried about that, seeing as i cant find backup software. I thought about taking the HDD out and trying to make an image of it just in case. But I dont know if its really worth the trouble.

[KenB]

Re: Ricoh 6513 Maintenece

That machine was pretty much a joke since it first came out.

The Fiery RIP is NT4 based; you'll most likely never find system software for it, and even if you somehow did, the patches for it are no longer available.

As far as the machine itself goes, while I never worked on them, my techs used to tell me horror stories, and these techs were factory trained on the POS.

Be extremely wary that you don't find yourself with a money pit on your hands. You can lease a brand new machine that will most likely do what you want (I don't know exact needs) for waaaay less than it would keep this albatross running each month.

[1899]

Re: Ricoh 6513 Maintenece

Heres some photos showing the problem areas, seems like the more i print, the better it gets, until i let it sit for a few days. I dont mind tinkering with it until i find something better.

Ricoh 6513 - a set on Flickr

counter = 255900 color, 137400 Black
Thanks

[teebee1234]

Re: Ricoh 6513 Maintenece

The blur in the text you are seeing is most likely the lead edge bumping into a buildup of crud at the fuser entrance. Check that and clean it if that's the case. If I remember correctly, you should be able to cheat the front door interlock and observe the paper passing through and notice if it jumps slightly (I think it's a small gap, use a flashlight).

[Counsel]

Re: Ricoh 6513 Maintenece

I am not sure if anyone asked but are you using standard paper or is it a thicker smoother paper. The problem you are describing to me is ghosting from the hot roller on the fuser, this usually happens when either A the fuser is bad, or B the person is printing on thicker paper then normal in which case you need to adjust the paper settings to indicate you are using thick paper which increases the fuser tempeture to heat the toner properly to the page. Ghosting usually goes away after you run several pages through it because the fuser is heating over a longer period of time and page after page starts to clean off the excess toner from the hot roller.

Easy way to figure this out is print 2 pages out with your image on them, then print 2 blank pages out if you see toner or ghost image on the blank sheets then your fuser needs to either be mainteneced or you need to adjust the paper settings for thicker paper.

[fshead]

Re: Ricoh 6513 Maintenece

THESE machines will run for while with no issues and then hammer you with different issues,fuser rollers,dusting too much toner etc..
you have to check the heater/fuser unit for wear,and ck the oil blade and pad..
i would do a copy and time it from start to exit and try to open front door before it passes the heater unit.
if the copy looks good your fuser needs a rebuild,i have parts for these if you need,still have a few out there..

[JustManuals]

Re: Ricoh 6513 Maintenece

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[STIG5897]

Re: Ricoh 6513 Maintenece

HI ALL
I USED TO WORK ON THESE IT DOES LOOK LIKE THE FUSER IS SCREWED THAT BLURRING OR MOTLEY IMAGE WAS USUALLY CAUSED BY THE PRESSURE ROLLER, AS THE OTHER GUYS HAVE MENTIONED THESE MACHINES COST HEAPS TO KEEP RUNNING, DONT EVEN KNOW IF PARTS ARE STILL AVAILABLE FOR THEM EITHER, GOODLUCK MATE...........