EE-EL on ARM351

[vlad_robas]

hi,

on this machine i have ''Deve reference: 76''
if i try to execute 25-1,2 i -get this error: EE-EL
i got this machine at about 440k and it has 460k in since i got it didn't have printed black as black
drum counter was at about 200k and i changed: drum, developer, cleaning blade, main charge - i dont remember kit number
it was a change in the contrast but still black isn't black enought
and now when i try to execute 25 deve reference drop's from 76 to 63 the give me that code
i had Katun toner in it and now i changed to original

and one more thing it's repeating image afther 125mm fuser its all clean and new

i have a lot's of 5316-165-207 machine's that i look afther but i dont have this kind of problem's, more simple machines

[MHeon71]

I would try cleaning the ATC sensor and try 25-2 again. The 25-2 should be in the 90's range. As far as the image repeating, I have seen that occur on AR-M350 / M355 when you do not change the DV at 100K intervals. I even replaced the fuser rollers and within 10 copies the image was repeating again. So, I would try cleaning or replacing ATC sensor, 25-2 and maybe a new bag of DV. When you first replace the DV, remember to keep the copier door open until you get into SIM to stir the DV.

[vlad_robas]

ATDC senzor is clean....
developer is changed recently..

[blackcat4866]

I would suspect a developing unit problem, specifically a drive problem. If the developer is not being agitated adequately you can get low readings.

If I get a reading that is outside 85 < x < 105, I just run the stir again. Sometimes it takes 3 or 4 times to get a good reading. I interpret this to mean that the developer has been sitting a long time, and took a little extra stirring. =^..^=

[vlad_robas]

i only had AR-271DV so i put in the dv unit and tried to execut 25 but he was giving me valors as low as 36
so i put back the right dv and emtyed dv unit with black copies and without toner
when the machine tryied to replace toner i entered 25 and he gave me 103-5
he saved that valor and then i tryied to print but the black stilll isn't as black as it should be and differs when im printing A3 duplex - one face is a little darker than the other

[Dark Helmet]

Which model is this exactly? Does the drum unit have a main charger cleaner on it?

I think i would try a new developer unit especially since wrong developer was put in it. Ive found those units start to get hard to turn around 400k copies and all it does is put wear on the main drive pack and it's much easier to replace a DV unit than a main drive

I would also check all the voltages in Sim 8 to make sure they match what the service manual says. Also make sure you have Sharp toner and put a new bag of Sharp DV in. If you don't replace the DV unit make sure it's very clean before putting in new DV.

What is the humidity like in your area? Is it extremly dry?


Blackcat your supposed to shake the bag of DV so you don't have to do extra stirs :P

[blackcat4866]

A little shaking doesn't always do the trick. =^..^=

[MHeon71]

I have never heard of the ARM351. I am thinking it is the same as ARM350 or ARM355. If that is the case, you should not be using AR271MD.

[vlad_robas]

sim 8 valour's ar at default or close
developer that's in the machine now only has 10k age
humidity showed is about 20-30 can that be a problem?

[Dark Helmet]

Still need to know what version of machine this is. Does the control panel have a Print button above the Image send or a Document File?

The developer that is in the machine now, did it have the katun toner in it?


When you changed the Drum and DV, did you go into Sim 24-11 and reset those 2 counters? The DV "should" reset when you run 25-2 but the Drum timer counter has to be reset manually.

[vlad_robas]

yes it has a ''PRINT'' button and the service manual is the same with 355/455

''The developer that is in the machine now, did it have the katun toner in it?''

ans: Yes.

yes i reseted all thecounters that needed to be reseted

[Dark Helmet]

Today i had a ARM237 go into the over toned code after doing a PM. I stirred a 2nd time and same code came up I unpluged the toner motor, ran sky shots until my DV mix thined and i was getting readings in the 100's, plugged the motor back in and ran 25-2 again and it finished no problem. Solids were fine on the machine.

You could try this to get a decent value in sim 25-2 but i don't know what your solids are going to look like after. If they are still light i would probably look at doing fresh DV with Sharp toner.

[vlad_robas]

dev reference is now 103 and work's well since then with Katun toner

but on this machine and on another 450 PDF files wich usualy have over 100 page's are printed slowly - page - pause - page ... and so on this happend's at first exemplar then it goe's full speed, can i do something about it?
the 351 has 128Mb and no HDD and the 450 has 320 MB and 20Gb HDD and PS but both do the same pause betwen pages

[bonnie750]

This ia classic 'wrong dev installed' code. should be ar455 dv

[xeroxsharp]

i only had AR-271DV so i put in the dv unit and tried to execut 25 but he was giving me valors as low as 36
so i put back the right dv and emtyed dv unit with black copies and without toner
when the machine tryied to replace toner i entered 25 and he gave me 103-5
he saved that valor and then i tryied to print but the black stilll isn't as black as it should be and differs when im printing A3 duplex - one face is a little darker than the other

HI,
Please check BTR assy,not only roller. Allredy seen this before on one of my AR M450. Make a copy with DADF open,copy must be the same from front to rear or you have bad bias roller. I think that you will need new developer unit and developer. Check side dor!
BR