Canon C1 Imagepress weak spot

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  • Penvy
    Trusted Tech

    100+ Posts
    • Oct 2008
    • 237

    #1

    Canon C1 Imagepress weak spot

    After a lot of work arounds and great help from here
    The overall big problem with the C1 IS................
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    The DEV units.
    Found the K is the least of the problems
    No color scale to worry about.

    BUT........the color dev's......
    Good for the first75-100k and the "brush" along with the
    dispersant will get used up fast when full bleeds are used
    all the time.

    There is just NOT enough room for more in each unit
    Then all the error codes, clumping,streaking,banding,
    just show up on 1 color and the rest follow is short time.

    The New quality is great at first but ck the toner waste after 60K
    not just pure toner but the dev dispersant" iron oxide" is there.
    some is normal but when you have such small dev units to start with,
    thats where is going downhill.

    Way to much$$$$ to replace the dev units so fast.
    what would be a good fix is a small "refresh" of the dev.

    The toner/dispersant % can be a real bear of a problem.

    In the past I have found that the mag roll can have a little extra "iron oxide" powder. Now too much and you have a mess and a jam.

    One way to do this is to take apart the dev unit and tap the bottom in a level table and look for the screw assy front and back.
    The prim screw assy under the mag roll is the one to look for.

    This is where you can ADD JUST the "dispersant (iron oxide powder)"
    OR REFRESH KIT if you can find it.

    The Powder is the thing.

    DO NOT ADD TONER

    After 75K you will see not much in the bottom.
    there can be a fill of 3/4 of the powder there to work just fine,

    AFTER it is mixed................you can turn it by hand to do that and look for that "brush" and turn is a few times.
    then reassemble

    Its messy if you dont watch to fill and waste holes when turning
    the unit over ...............This in a MUST do to act like the drum when in
    the copier. then spin the mag wheel for the "brush" and look for the color to be even across the mag roll.

    DO NOT ADD TONER

    Then let the copier add the toner itself.

    Better to be short of toner at this point and let the Image patch /ATR sensors do the toner add.

    This is not for rookies but will over come the dev unit problem.

    It's a design problem from the start as a "proof" machine and not a production color copier.

    Just my 2 cents
  • Paul 75
    Technician

    50+ Posts
    • Oct 2008
    • 97

    #2
    U must be unlucky with your C1's! . Ive got 5 on my patch, all have done over 300K and we haven't had a prob with devs. Primary wires and grids need regular replacement and itb spots up. I hve one m/c that is giving me 01OD jams intermittantly but other than that nothing too major, couple of E061's probs but thats it
    Oh...... I can't copy at the moment then ? !!!!!!

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    • Penvy
      Trusted Tech

      100+ Posts
      • Oct 2008
      • 237

      #3
      I think the full bleeds 11X17 use up most of this.
      The lack of the proper Fiery1 server (not the one mounted on the back panel)
      is a BIG problem!

      Canon business solutions NOT CANON put this in!

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      • Van Steal
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        100+ Posts
        • Apr 2008
        • 177

        #4
        Originally posted by Paul 75
        U must be unlucky with your C1's! . Ive got 5 on my patch, all have done over 300K and we haven't had a prob with devs. Primary wires and grids need regular replacement and itb spots up. I hve one m/c that is giving me 01OD jams intermittantly but other than that nothing too major, couple of E061's probs but thats it

        I agree don't have any problems with our C1's..have had one or to with 010D jams caused by A4 slipping on the pre fuser belt ass'y just need to change the ass'y or the belts doesn't look like any thing is wrong may just be losing grip on belts.. saying that if your customer doesn't mind just change your A4 tray to A4R works fine

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        • worthy
          Junior Member
          • Jul 2007
          • 7

          #5
          c1 probs

          Originally posted by Van Steal
          I agree don't have any problems with our C1's..have had one or to with 010D jams caused by A4 slipping on the pre fuser belt ass'y just need to change the ass'y or the belts doesn't look like any thing is wrong may just be losing grip on belts.. saying that if your customer doesn't mind just change your A4 tray to A4R works fine
          hi just wanted to ask about 010d jams i've got a machine doing the same intermittantly do you mean the transport bed assy with the 4 wide black belts?
          Our machine fine A4r A3 SRa3 all fine.
          Last edited by worthy; 05-22-2009, 12:12 AM.

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          • worthy
            Junior Member
            • Jul 2007
            • 7

            #6
            C1 info

            Ive got aC1 out there with a million on it the customer hammers it .
            Had all the dev problems also idle roller bearings failing in the ITB assy( the two white plastic arms you click back to release pressure on itb belt ) these have failed twice causing yellow to offset. Lower belt assy springs snap ( the ones that hold fixing belt assy in place ). Seem to be having lots of dev probs its almost like hard toner on dev cylinder or you get detoning . I try to keep on top of keeping it clean , new filters regularly but ATR gets quite dirty. Then when you clean it it can sometimes cause E020 codes. just wondered whats best approach when re-deving developing units ? Do you use INISET or just INIT ? Its in a printers evironment loads of full bleed 330 gsm SRA3 card .
            Thanks any help would be greatfully recieved.

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            • Penvy
              Trusted Tech

              100+ Posts
              • Oct 2008
              • 237

              #7
              As I said before, the Developer powder will start to get less and less as the copies increase,
              there is no way to "refresh" the developer powder as far as I know.
              Thats what seems to make the toner "hard". and offset.

              The thing I would like to see is a refresh bottle of just the Dev powder,
              Not the toner. to keep the ratio% correct.

              When the Dev powder gets to be so low in the % mix of dev/toner
              thats where the trouble starts.

              Then the ATR just goes nuts cuz the toner is not evenly on the mag roll and not dispersed well to get that "brush" on the mag roll to then transfer
              to the drum!!!!


              I would really like to find a source for just the DEV powder to refresh the dev units and start over with the dens recalibration.

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              • worthy
                Junior Member
                • Jul 2007
                • 7

                #8
                c1 devs

                Originally posted by Penvy
                As I said before, the Developer powder will start to get less and less as the copies increase,
                there is no way to "refresh" the developer powder as far as I know.
                Thats what seems to make the toner "hard". and offset.

                The thing I would like to see is a refresh bottle of just the Dev powder,
                Not the toner. to keep the ratio% correct.

                When the Dev powder gets to be so low in the % mix of dev/toner
                thats where the trouble starts.

                Then the ATR just goes nuts cuz the toner is not evenly on the mag roll and not dispersed well to get that "brush" on the mag roll to then transfer
                to the drum!!!!


                I would really like to find a source for just the DEV powder to refresh the dev units and start over with the dens recalibration.

                hi thanks for reply these machines are wonderful .....not !
                We seem to be able to get the dev as a seperate part .
                At one of our customers we have a large stock of parts including bottles of dev on site . I can ge u part numbers if any help .

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                • Penvy
                  Trusted Tech

                  100+ Posts
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 237

                  #9
                  I would like to see these part #'s and cross ref to see if the starter is the same as other canon copiers.

                  Oh what the hell....canon f'ed up with piece of crap from the start, and after all this posting and all this time spent, $$$$ LOST.......on something that should have NEVER
                  made it to the open market........
                  CANON should have a new division called CYA

                  Oh thats right they do......Canon Business Solutions

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                  • Van Steal
                    Trusted Tech

                    100+ Posts
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 177

                    #10
                    Originally posted by worthy
                    hi just wanted to ask about 010d jams i've got a machine doing the same intermittantly do you mean the transport bed assy with the 4 wide black belts?
                    Our machine fine A4r A3 SRa3 all fine.
                    Sorry just seen this now yep just replace the transport bed ass'y to fix the jams.. If you run it with the front cover off you will see the paper stopping on the belt. Good Luck

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