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reckless
12-14-2020, 08:18 PM
I have the following all brand new:
1 KM C6100
1 PF-707m Paper Feeder
1 RU-518
1 Fiery IC-313
1 PF-503 (currently working on another press)

Is hooking up a printer as simple as leveling devices and hooking them together or does it require a $1500-2000 installation team?

M94
12-14-2020, 08:27 PM
I have the following all brand new:
1 KM C6100
1 PF-707m Paper Feeder
1 RU-518
1 Fiery IC-313
1 PF-503 (currently working on another press)

Is hooking up a printer as simple as leveling devices and hooking them together or does it require a $1500-2000 installation team?

If you can get ahold of a manual and read through it you can probably do it yourself. It is likely to be a bit more involved than 'level and hook together'
I'm not familiar with this specific machine but I know that many require between 5-15 initialization settings and adjustments to be made. I'm not gonna say it's outside the realm of possibility but get a service manual and take your time. It will likely cost more to have a tech find out what setting\adjustment mishap you had than it would cost for them to just do it for you.

copier tech
12-14-2020, 08:31 PM
I have the following all brand new:
1 KM C6100
1 PF-707m Paper Feeder
1 RU-518
1 Fiery IC-313
1 PF-503 (currently working on another press)

Is hooking up a printer as simple as leveling devices and hooking them together or does it require a $1500-2000 installation team?

All depends on what experience you have installing copiers?

If you are experienced enough do it yourself, or deliver it yourself & have a qualified instal team set it up etc.

Synthohol
12-14-2020, 08:46 PM
putting aside confidence for a moment, do you have a densitometer like the es-2000?
if not, you cant properly calibrate the fiery and the colors may never be correct.
just something to consider.

BillyCarpenter
12-14-2020, 08:50 PM
If you're asking this question, I'm gonna assume you don't have much, if any, experience. This in only my opinion, but considering all the options that need to be installed, I would pay someone to do the job right. That's just me.

mojorolla
12-14-2020, 08:59 PM
putting aside confidence for a moment, do you have a densitometer like the es-2000?
if not, you cant properly calibrate the fiery and the colors may never be correct.
just something to consider.

My eyes only saw this.....words...words.....words.....words...Fiery
Better know what you are doing.


:)

reckless
12-14-2020, 09:21 PM
I am not worried about the Fiery, Fiery Tech will come out to set up hot folders/etc for free. I'll tell him to bring the densitometer.

I found the service manual for $13 online. I have someone good at following a manual.

I checked with one of my warehouse guys and they were worried a little bit about connections between accessories.

I am willing to pay $600 to install this for 2 hours of work but everyone is giving me the run around. The two KMBS dealers one wont respond the other quoted me $2000+ which I felt was them telling me to take a hike.

tsbservice
12-14-2020, 09:31 PM
I am willing to pay $600 to install this for 2 hours of work but everyone is giving me the run around. The two KMBS dealers one wont respond the other quoted me $2000+ which I felt was them telling me to take a hike.
It's not definetely 2 hours of work. I install an office machine that time. But for free.

reckless
12-14-2020, 09:45 PM
It's not definetely 2 hours of work. I install an office machine that time. But for free.

Two guys installed my C6000 in 2 hours last time. It felt less than an hour as more time was spent breaking boxes and pallets.

Worst case scenario we dont get anywhere and we hire tech?

M94
12-14-2020, 09:50 PM
Two guys installed my C6000 in 2 hours last time. It felt less than an hour as more time was spent breaking boxes and pallets.

Worst case scenario we dont get anywhere and we hire tech?

No... Worst case scenario is the machine gets damaged.

reckless
12-14-2020, 09:53 PM
is that likely if we are careful not to break connectors/etc?

M94
12-14-2020, 10:00 PM
is that likely if we are careful not to break connectors/etc?

That's really hard to say without knowing your level of comfort\familiarity with the types of connectors. If experience level is zero then it's definitely a possibility... Some of the connectors can be temperamental, the ribbons are fragile, ESD is a thing, and settings and adjustments can be convoluted. Like I said in my first post, I'm not one to generally discourage DIY but you need to be aware of and comfortable with the risk and I'll double down on what I said before, read the manual. Carefully. Twice.

Is this coming out of your pocket? If this is a business or something I would strongly recommend having the company pay for it just for the peace of mind knowing it's correct.

tsbservice
12-14-2020, 10:12 PM
Two guys installed my C6000 in 2 hours last time. It felt less than an hour as more time was spent breaking boxes and pallets.

Worst case scenario we dont get anywhere and we hire tech?

This is totally impossible regarding install main unit options and calibrations tests.
Wait for a tech willing to apply in your request.

reckless
12-15-2020, 12:18 AM
Maybe because the machine was used?

Phil B.
12-15-2020, 12:26 AM
Maybe because the machine was used?

which machine was used?

your OP says ALL brand new.

I have the following all brand new:
1 KM C6100
1 PF-707m Paper Feeder
1 RU-518
1 Fiery IC-313
1 PF-503 (currently working on another press)

Is hooking up a printer as simple as leveling devices and hooking them together or does it require a $1500-2000 installation team?


:confused::confused::confused: are they not including setup/assembly instructs in the cartons?

reckless
12-15-2020, 12:32 AM
The original equipment is new in boxes/crates minus the PB-503.

The C6000 that was installed in less than 2 hours we used with 100k copies on it. It was installed 5-7 years ago.

I didn't buy the machine from a dealer as it would have cost me 10x more.

Phil B.
12-15-2020, 12:39 AM
The original equipment is new in boxes/crates minus the PB-503.

The C6000 that was installed in less than 2 hours we used with 100k copies on it. It was installed 5-7 years ago.

I didn't buy the machine from a dealer as it would have cost me 10x more.

have you checked the cartons for setup/assembly instructions? they usually send them with the machines. along with ownership/warranty papers.

reckless
12-15-2020, 12:43 AM
No, just have a printout of colors being calibrated and 138 sheets on the counter.

The PF-707M looks easy enough to hook in, not sure on the RU-518 but the PB-503 has me scared. If possible we would like to print this without the PB-503 and output on output tray on RU-518 but it doesn't look like KM system configurator allows that.

blackcat4866
12-15-2020, 12:45 AM
This is totally impossible regarding install main unit options and calibrations tests.
Wait for a tech willing to apply in your request.

This is a days work. A setup done in two hours is shoddy work indeed. Count me out. =^..^=

Phil B.
12-15-2020, 12:48 AM
if you haven't purchased the manual yet.. put a request in here: https://www.copytechnet.com/forums/service-manual-requests/

you might be able to hire a local tech if you put a request here: https://www.copytechnet.com/forums/employment/

reckless
12-15-2020, 12:58 AM
yeah i put a request there many months ago. Not finding someone...
Copier Tech Needed in Chicago (https://www.copytechnet.com/forums/employment/146508-copier-tech-needed-chicago.html)

was considering posting a remote work request. We can do all the work and a professional oversee everything for a reasonable fee.

Thanks put a post asking for the service manual!

BillyCarpenter
12-15-2020, 01:03 AM
yeah i put a request there many months ago. Not finding someone... was considering posting a remote work request. We can do all the work and a professional oversee everything for a reasonable fee.

Thanks put a post asking for the service manual!

A service tech would spend more time watching you fumble around than actually setting it up himself.

wjurls
12-15-2020, 09:48 PM
There has to be an Independent in greater Chicago that is familiar with KM Production machines. Keep looking. I would suggest asking Adil at Galaxy Copiers if he knows anyone in your area (626)400-6639.
I'd be happy to help if you were in Southern California.

JR2ALTA
12-15-2020, 10:17 PM
$1,500 - 2,000 dollars?!

Why wouldn't a Konica dealer just charge you their hourly rate? Usually 150 an hour maybe 200 in Chicago..

reckless
12-15-2020, 10:25 PM
Thanks Adil is a nice guy. I have bought supplies from him in the past. I reached out to him and left a voicemail.

reckless
01-05-2021, 08:31 AM
Due to getting run around from kmbs dealers we are going to attempt this ourselves. My warehouse guys have helped previously connect a production machine and did say it was a huge pain the butt as cables/ribbons are very, very short. They will be careful not to break anything and if we get nowhere will hire km on an hourly basis.

Does anyone know if there are installation manuals or youtube videos to help with install? I found this one for a c1070, how much different can c6100 be?

https://youtu.be/JGurmjioXfQ
I love his videos, he explains alot of things so effortlessly

reckless
01-05-2021, 10:04 AM
I'd be happy to print duplex with no finisher like he does here for time being (20:26 mark)

https://youtu.be/vzBP4q3-u1Y

Is it possible to print with no finisher attached just relay unit RU-518 + pf-707m? Somehow lining up the finisher has me most afraid. The paper feeder and relay unit look easier.

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