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emujo2
09-16-2021, 01:05 PM
Under the current conditions I would like to start a compatibility list of KM toners...

TN-014 will work for TN-016, TN-017
TN-322 will work in any B&W or color e series. you can either swap the caps or put the toner in the old bottle

Looking for positive results for any production color, or 8/I series that you may have found. TIA E

suomi
09-16-2021, 01:33 PM
Katun Performance™ Universal Toner for use in:
Konica Minolta Bizhub C250i/C300i/C360i/C450i/C550i/C650i-series


Maybe also C750i is same toner.

And you can reset toner in service mode. If you try other colors.

Drivee
09-16-2021, 01:38 PM
I would avoid Katun. They are just trade company. better and cheaper to go direct.

suomi
09-16-2021, 01:43 PM
The options are few. C458 black color out of stock everywhere

splblazer91
09-16-2021, 09:37 PM
tn-712(754e) can be dumped into tn812(808) bottles. Take off end cap and there is a plug. just need a funnel.

srvctec
09-23-2021, 03:14 PM
OK, we still have several REALLY OLD machines in the field that the customers just won't replace. We can't get TN211 or TN311 (for bizhub 200, 250, 222 & 282 or bizhub 350 & 362 respectively) toner any more from Konica Minolta.

Does anyone know for sure if they changed the toner from the 2 series (222, 282, 362) to the 3 series (223, 283, 363, 423) which is TN217 or TN414? Or will 3 series work in 2 series?

Synthohol
09-23-2021, 03:46 PM
Results for BIZHUB (https://www.precisionroller.com/search.php?q=bizhub&submit=Search)

Aftermarket toner is dirt in a bottle, I'd sooner become a bartender than use non oem supplies.

srvctec
09-23-2021, 04:18 PM
Results for BIZHUB (https://www.precisionroller.com/search.php?q=bizhub&submit=Search)

Aftermarket toner is dirt in a bottle, I'd sooner become a bartender than use non oem supplies.

We're the same way which is exactly why we're trying to find out what OEM toners are the same over the years. We've got quite a few customers that have really old machines that still work fine but just need some toner. They don't run enough to justify buying a new machine so just want to keep the old one going. For us, it's not a bad thing because they are all on contract and the click price is quite high because that gets raised nearly every year since their lease was up and they bought it out.

tulintron
09-23-2021, 08:06 PM
Under the current conditions I would like to start a compatibility list of KM toners...

TN-014 will work for TN-016, TN-017
TN-322 will work in any B&W or color e series. you can either swap the caps or put the toner in the old bottle

Looking for positive results for any production color, or 8/I series that you may have found. TIA E
The vast majority of new printers, toner works on older ones. Old in new, no. Black in color, no. Colors in black, yes.

tulintron
09-23-2021, 08:07 PM
We're the same way which is exactly why we're trying to find out what OEM toners are the same over the years. We've got quite a few customers that have really old machines that still work fine but just need some toner. They don't run enough to justify buying a new machine so just want to keep the old one going. For us, it's not a bad thing because they are all on contract and the click price is quite high because that gets raised nearly every year since their lease was up and they bought it out.Crazy secret.

We've had 1250 with C8000 developer and toner in the field, no problem, for over a year

sanvicente
09-24-2021, 07:58 AM
We have several c754 and c554 running with anything we can get in stock right now: tn610, tn612, tn615, tn616, tn616-l, tn611, tn613, tn413, tn618, tn622, tn324, tn514 and of course tn321, tn711 and tn512.

just avoid using 3 or 4 “old” toners (the ones with out developer) straight in a row to avoid low tcr. As long as is OEM we are good to go. I also believe (dont have proofs) that machines with higher volumes tend to blend toner better. In several machines in our printshop we have also used tn217, tn414, tn010, tn214 with out any issues.

right now cause the shortage we also use compatible toner from katun, cet, ikon.

trscolin
10-19-2021, 12:05 AM
Anyone have any genius ways to transfer toner from bottle to bottle? I look like a smurf trying to transfer some cyan toner using a funnel. :p

emujo2
10-19-2021, 01:17 PM
TN 014 to /017--Remove end caps tape bottles together and come back in 1/2 hour (think hourglass) Office swap caps (4 clips that secure the caps) TN 014-Tn016 remove top cap from TN 16, get a funnel, and a vacuum. You can get about 2/3 of a TN -14 into a TN -016. Have not had to swap any production color yet. E

Toxic
10-19-2021, 05:56 PM
What replacement oem toner will work best for TN221 toners?
I think somebody here claims he use same toner for 4,7,8 series ...

tsbservice
10-19-2021, 06:02 PM
What replacement oem toner will work best for TN221 toners?
I think somebody here claims he use same toner for 4,7,8 series ...
I think the same. The real question is what toner from bigger models maybe even production(lower price per grams) will work on 4,7,8 series :)

emujo2
10-19-2021, 07:12 PM
Anyone have any genius ways to transfer toner from bottle to bottle? I look like a smurf trying to transfer some cyan toner using a funnel. :p

I just did 3 bottles of black..not going to say what I look like, but the smurf visual got a real chuckle out of me.

REGSIS
10-20-2021, 11:35 AM
Just got a TN620C (for C2070L) OEM.
Is it the same as TN-321C or TN-324C?
Does it contains developer?

Thanks in advance!

Gift
10-20-2021, 12:28 PM
The vast majority of new printers, toner works on older ones.

You probably have good chance if the fuser temp targets are within the same margin, otherwise this might backfire.

tsbservice
10-20-2021, 02:21 PM
Just got a TN620C (for C2070L) OEM.
Is it the same as TN-321C or TN-324C?
Does it contains developer?

Thanks in advance!

If it's in clear bottle like TN-321 or TN-324 you can shake it and watch the movement inside. Developer is much heavier than toner and actually floats inside. Very easy to see on yellow but on cyan may be a bit difficult.
Good luck and let us know.

emujo2
10-20-2021, 03:01 PM
You can help eliminate guessing and/or expensive drum developer replacements..Put the boxes side by side and compare the ingredients. If one contains something the other does not, then probably stay away from it. E

tsbservice
10-20-2021, 07:46 PM
You can help eliminate guessing and/or expensive drum developer replacements..Put the boxes side by side and compare the ingredients. If one contains something the other does not, then probably stay away from it. E

There're MSDS better compare them. Still unclear on exact percentage of ingredients because of copyright protection against counterfeit.

srvctec
10-20-2021, 08:44 PM
My service manager sat in on a web conference last week about the toner issues and KonicaMinolta said they were going to provide a toner compatibility list since no official list exists, due to the toner shortage and plant fire. Hope they do and then we'll know for sure what will work and what won't.

femaster
10-21-2021, 01:08 AM
My service manager sat in on a web conference last week about the toner issues and KonicaMinolta said they were going to provide a toner compatibility list since no official list exists, due to the toner shortage and plant fire. Hope they do and then we'll know for sure what will work and what won't.

This would be great to have, hopefully they actually follow through with it.

So far we have only been slightly affected by the shortage, as we generally have a large supply of what we need. We have gotten tight on some of them, but have yet to actually run out to the point where we have customers down. We placed a pretty large order a few weeks back, and got in about 30% of what we ordered right away. Have been slowly getting additional deliveries, some that fulfill the order for that model completely, others have been a trickle supply, where they ship us about 20% to 25% of the quantity we actually ordered. I'm glad they are doing it that way instead of waiting until they have enough to fill the full quantity ordered. With a trickle supply at least we keep getting a few here and there so that we are hopefully never completely out of a given toner.

L0rdC
10-21-2021, 09:43 AM
Any compatibility with tn-712?

ToneB
01-25-2022, 07:55 PM
TN 014 to /017--Remove end caps tape bottles together and come back in 1/2 hour (think hourglass) Office swap caps (4 clips that secure the caps) TN 014-Tn016 remove top cap from TN 16, get a funnel, and a vacuum. You can get about 2/3 of a TN -14 into a TN -016. Have not had to swap any production color yet. E

What's the best way to remove the cap on the TN-016? Or do you mean pulling down the accordion like section on the top part?

Chris Barton
02-04-2022, 06:06 AM
Just to add to the knowledge base....I know for a FACT that you can use tn010 in place of tn015. I've had several 951's and found that I can buy the cheaper (especially before the shortage) tn 010 toner in them instead of the tn015. You just pull the plastic top piece off and put it on the TN010 bottle and works like a champ. Been doing it for 3 plus years and dozens of bottles.

Used to have a c6500 and a 7000 as well. Same thing. Interchangeable cept with those you had to physically pour the toner into the 7000 bottle.

Synaux
02-07-2022, 03:56 AM
My service manager sat in on a web conference last week about the toner issues and KonicaMinolta said they were going to provide a toner compatibility list since no official list exists, due to the toner shortage and plant fire. Hope they do and then we'll know for sure what will work and what won't.

This is long overdue, but they wont do it.
Basic corporate bs will not allow it.

I have made several worksheets for compatible toners, but they are for quite old models.


Anyone have any genius ways to transfer toner from bottle to bottle? I look like a smurf trying to transfer some cyan toner using a funnel. :p

HAHA, steady hands and patience! That reminds me of the time when I [accidently] took 150 PSI to the toner feed section of a 601.
I looked like wile e coyote after he blows himself up!

srvctec
03-17-2022, 10:29 PM
I posted this over in the Toner Shortages thread but thought maybe it might be good to post it here as well.

Anyone know what might be compatible genuine Konica Minolta toner for TN-619M? That's the one we need and can't get and apparently, it's in shortage on the entire planet since none is to be found anywhere (well unless you want to pay $1,000 for a bottle from some scalper on fleebay).

Just wondering if anyone has used toner from another KM machine that works fine without a doubt and causes no copy quality issues.

Toxic
03-17-2022, 10:42 PM
TN620 should be full compatible if you can get that one

srvctec
03-18-2022, 09:05 PM
TN620 should be full compatible if you can get that one

Thanks! Unfortunately everyone else has figured that out too so it's not available either.

Chris Barton
03-18-2022, 10:11 PM
Just looked on ebay and you can get one for $250.

srvctec
03-18-2022, 10:43 PM
Just looked on ebay and you can get one for $250.

Yeah, thanks but that isn't original OEM toner but the compatible stuff we can already get from KM directly because it ends in "H". I see another one that is OEM for $260 but not sure we're going to pay that much since that's retail and over double what we pay directly from KM. We're trying to not have to deal with the possible headache of all the hoops required to jump through with this H stuff as it can possibly cause print quality issues.

Chris Barton
03-21-2022, 03:34 PM
Yeah, thanks but that isn't original OEM toner but the compatible stuff we can already get from KM directly because it ends in "H". I see another one that is OEM for $260 but not sure we're going to pay that much since that's retail and over double what we pay directly from KM. We're trying to not have to deal with the possible headache of all the hoops required to jump through with this H stuff as it can possibly cause print quality issues.


No, the one I am referring to is this

Genuine Konica Minolta TN619M Magenta Toner Cartridge (A3VX33H) FREE SHIPPING | eBay (https://www.ebay.com/itm/125206015181?hash=item1d26dc2ccd:g:x6EAAOSwbGBiH9c z)

That is factory OEM KM toner. And just to clarify, Your normal pricing for OEM TN 619 (When available) from Konica is $130 each? If thats the case I'm impressed. I thought they charged more.

mloudy
03-21-2022, 04:55 PM
Yeah, thanks but that isn't original OEM toner but the compatible stuff we can already get from KM directly because it ends in "H". I see another one that is OEM for $260 but not sure we're going to pay that much since that's retail and over double what we pay directly from KM. We're trying to not have to deal with the possible headache of all the hoops required to jump through with this H stuff as it can possibly cause print quality issues.

KM is selling compatible toners to dealers for use in KM equipment?

Toxic
03-21-2022, 05:14 PM
I am interested about this clarification.
I was thinking H toners are also OEM just half capacity...
Today i get some TN620 but cyan is TN620EC, i did not open it but assume it is also half bottle.

tsbservice
03-21-2022, 06:45 PM
KM is selling compatible toners to dealers for use in KM equipment?
I think srvctec didn't say that.

srvctec
03-21-2022, 07:37 PM
KM is selling compatible toners to dealers for use in KM equipment?

Yes, there's a bulletin about it and it details all the stuff you have to do in the event it causes print quality issues. It involves installing special F/W, changing settings, and other stuff. I don't have the bulletin number handy as I'm off today.

dbeyma
03-21-2022, 07:43 PM
Under the current conditions I would like to start a compatibility list of KM toners...

TN-014 will work for TN-016, TN-017
TN-322 will work in any B&W or color e series. you can either swap the caps or put the toner in the old bottle

Looking for positive results for any production color, or 8/I series that you may have found. TIA E

Has anyone tried xerox toner for Konicas?
Xerox 006R04137 Compatible Toner Cartridge Replaces Konica Minolta A3VU030,

tsbservice
03-21-2022, 07:46 PM
Yes, there's a bulletin about it and it details all the stuff you have to do in the event it causes print quality issues. It involves installing special F/W, changing settings, and other stuff. I don't have the bulletin number handy as I'm off today.

This is weird. Thank you for clarification.

REGSIS
03-21-2022, 09:18 PM
I am interested about this clarification.
I was thinking H toners are also OEM just half capacity...
Today i get some TN620 but cyan is TN620EC, i did not open it but assume it is also half bottle.

It should be OEM. It definetly has developer in it since I managed to revive Cyan dev unit with TN321C H bottle.

I don't think it could be done with compatible toner.

REGSIS
03-21-2022, 09:30 PM
What replacement oem toner will work best for TN221 toners?
I think somebody here claims he use same toner for 4,7,8 series ...

Yep, that's confirmed to me by KM, but I didn't have a chance to try because I managed to get big load of H bottles.
I was told that all "office" machines 4,7,8 series use same toners but they couldn't confirmed that for i series toner.

emujo2
03-22-2022, 06:16 PM
I just has a sales rep x fer toner from a 458e bottle into a 808 bottle. After telling me that it should not be a big deal and I should want to do everything I can for our customers it was nice to see her with toner in her shoes. lol

tech51
03-22-2022, 06:45 PM
Yep, that's confirmed to me by KM, but I didn't have a chance to try because I managed to get big load of H bottles.
I was told that all "office" machines 4,7,8 series use same toners but they couldn't confirmed that for i series toner.
I can confirm the 8 series toner is compatible with all of the i series including the a4 models.

Swap the end caps for the a3 models and refill the cartridges (messy if your not careful) for the a4 models.

Reset the appropriate engine firmware switches and away you go…..

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