Bizhub 950 different toner bottle?

[Toxic]

Last year i try 1 bottle replacement toner TN-911 and had problem.
Today i get again replacement toner CET TN-911 and there is the same problem (KM does not support anymore TN911)
Bottle dimension is the same but the grooves on top side is reversed and it overjump when machine try to rotate bottle.
Obviously this bottle is meant for opposite direction of rotation than OEM bottle.
Also part number is different from original toner i had in the past from KM.
Is this TN911 meant for other region except EU or something else?
I am thinking how to resolve this on the fastest way, i could just pour toner from this bottle to original one but i will try to modify grooves to avoid pouring.
OEM toner is on the right in the photos.
Does anybody use this toners and see this problem?

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[allan]

TN014 on the Left? Both TN911 and TN015 turns the other way.
Decant and cry. Late night in China.

How does that CET stuff work?

[Toxic]

Both bottles are TN911, right one is OEM left is CET.
Can somebody confirm what is difference between A0YP031 and A0YP051 , both are TN911 OEM parts number
In the past i always get A0YP051 and it fits ok in to the machine.
Regarding CET, i dont know how will it go, i just got few bottles to test because this bad situation from KM.
I am considering to try to reverse toner bottle motor direction if possible because OEM toners not avaliable anymore.

[tsbservice]

I can imagine toners for EU - A0YP051 and NA(USA) - A0YP031 market are different and if chinesse(CET) copied NA toners you will have such problems.

[Toxic]

Agreed, i just cant understand why somebody from EU import incompatible toners for EU region...
It would be interesting to see what is difference in toner supply section so bottle have oposite rotation.
Maybe just motor have opposite direction or there is some extra gear.

[tsbservice]

A0Y5M10400 may be the toner motor part number for US version, can you compare with EU manual?

[Toxic]

That one is the same, it is toner supply motor.
Check PN for toner bottle motor , i think that one rotate bottle.
In EU version it is A0PNM10200 DC Brushless motor /20

[tsbservice]

That one is the same, it is toner supply motor.
Check PN for toner bottle motor , i think that one rotate bottle.
In EU version it is A0PNM10200 DC Brushless motor /20

He is hiding but now I see it.
Maybe I found the difference in wiring see key 13 as B is USA/Canada and C is European type:

13 A0Y5N13A01 Toner Control harness /A Destination A,C,D1,D3,F2,H,I,J,
K


13 A0Y5N13E01 Toner Control harness /A Destination B,G1

[Toxic]

Good vision, i missed it.
Did you check motor PN, if it is the same thing for EU and NA then must be only harness different.

[tsbservice]

Good vision, i missed it.
Did you check motor PN, if it is the same thing for EU and NA then must be only harness different.

Yes motor is the same, take care and keep up great work!

[Toxic]

Thank you my friend for hint and help.
Tomorrow i will remove toner supply unit and have a look, maybe i will figure it out how to modify :)

[allan]

Thank you my friend for hint and help.
Tomorrow i will remove toner supply unit and have a look, maybe i will figure it out how to modify :)


If its a BLDC motor then you can pull the direction pin up or down to ground to change direction.
Not sure if running it in reverse would work.

[emujo2]

OMG...just dump the toner into the old bottle..What are you going to do??? Swap the motor out every time you get a different bottle..E

[tsbservice]

OMG...just dump the toner into the old bottle..What are you going to do??? Swap the motor out every time you get a different bottle..E

This is always possible however some engineers like to think outside of the box. Those are I would like to work with. Damn you can even possibly train a monkey doing toner decanting ;)

[wjurls]

OMG...just dump the toner into the old bottle..What are you going to do??? Swap the motor out every time you get a different bottle..E

This! It's so easy to remove the end caps. Tape empty bottle butt to butt with full bottle and invert. Be prepared for a mess as it may not fit all the toner due to air fluff.

[Toxic]

Well...some of you are right about decanting, it is simple solution and i done that few times when it is a must but i hate doing that.
I rather like to have more conveniently solution.
And like i said i dont have anymore source to get OEM toners and decanting toners all the time for 4 still working b950 in the field is annoying.

Today i had some time for this and found solution that is simplier than i tought at first.
I just compare electrical schematic for US and EU version toner supply section and after 10 seconds i see solution. Thanks to TSB for hint about wiring ;)
On the toner bottle motor there is pin 5 for cw/ccw input signal and that pin is grounded for clockwise direction ( pin2)
For ccw direction just remove that connection (cut blue wire) and motor will rotate in reverse direction.

https://i.postimg.cc/PNWTdnLv/IMG-20220207-140744.jpg (https://postimg.cc/PNWTdnLv)

[tsbservice]

Well...some of you are right about decanting, it is simple solution and i done that few times when it is a must but i hate doing that.
I rather like to have more conveniently solution.
And like i said i dont have anymore source to get OEM toners and decanting toners all the time for 4 still working b950 in the field is annoying.

Today i had some time for this and found solution that is simplier than i tought at first.
I just compare electrical schematic for US and EU version toner supply section and after 10 seconds i see solution. Thanks to TSB for hint about wiring ;)
On the toner bottle motor there is pin 5 for cw/ccw input signal and that pin is grounded for clockwise direction ( pin2)
For ccw direction just remove that connection (cut blue wire) and motor will rotate in reverse direction.

https://i.postimg.cc/PNWTdnLv/IMG-20220207-140744.jpg (https://postimg.cc/PNWTdnLv)

This is freaking awesome and didn't have even slight doubt in your success brother!

P.S
Let the boys decant 😂

[promounss]

What about toner powder quality? Do you have any issues?
I tried several Chinese providers and traders and every time the toner dripped :(
I just don't know how to get out of this toner impasse

[Toxic]

Good question, i tried replacement toners but mostly after that had problem with print quality, only one machine doing good with that powder.
After some research i find out TN010 is same composition like TN911 and it is avaliable to order from KM and price is pretty much ok.
TN010 is more weight than TN911 and lower price so it is win-win situation and good replacement for some time when i will get rid of old dogs 950's .

[promounss]

TN010 is similar but not the same like TN911.
I tried with TN010, TN014, TN015 oem powder but results were terible - grey background, toner spilling after 15-20k prints.

[Toxic]

How do you know it is not the same toner powder, TN010 and TN911?
I also tried TN014 and it is not very good result even with developer for that toner.
If you tried TN010 with contaminated developer from previous bad toner that could be the cause it is not working for you.

[promounss]

How do you know it is not the same toner powder, TN010 and TN911?
I also tried TN014 and it is not very good result even with developer for that toner.
If you tried TN010 with contaminated developer from previous bad toner that could be the cause it is not working for you.



I tried TN010 with new dv910, new dv010, with different dv units,with different dipsw 23,27 without any success :(
The best result was grey line background only on 2side print :(

[Toxic]

You could have some other problem beside toner, charge unit, transfer unit,drum...what is parts life for it?
If you use replacement drum, it can behave badly only after 100k prints instead 1 mil like OEM drum lasts and even 1.5 mil., i tried replacement drums and results is always lottery.
If you use OEM TN010 and have bad quality then you should search for other cause.
Here is msds for both toners and you can see it is the same compound on the spot

55565

[emujo2]

TN 014, 015, 016 and 017 are interchangeable..The only difference is the bottle and/or rotation direction. These toners will only work in the 1052, 951, 1250/2250, 1100, 6130. You cannot use this in a 1050 or 950, nor can you put the 950/1050 toner into any of the others listed. E

[blackcat4866]

Just to throw my two cents in:

I've had to work on these hoppers before on the 951, 1052, and 1250P. The 951 rotates counter to the 1052 & 1250P. The bottle contents is the same, which we discovered after decanting a few. The drive plate which turns the bottle is a little different ... reinforced on the opposite side, since the torque comes from the opposite direction. You may find that changing the drive plate will get you better bottle engagement.

I'm pleased that you figured out how to change the motor rotation direction. Congratulations on your success. =^..^=

[promounss]

You could have some other problem beside toner, charge unit, transfer unit,drum...what is parts life for it?
If you use replacement drum, it can behave badly only after 100k prints instead 1 mil like OEM drum lasts and even 1.5 mil., i tried replacement drums and results is always lottery.
If you use OEM TN010 and have bad quality then you should search for other cause.
Here is msds for both toners and you can see it is the same compound on the spot

55565

Thanks a lot for advice.
I got 8x950s. 2 of them printing good with compatible tn911 (only with dipws 23,27 corrections). Others 6 make troubles (grey background, toner spilling) - no matter what I do to them. (dispw, pouring out dv, black prints until white spots, dv filters, charge/disch setting, even HV1). When I used to work with oem tn911 (A0YT031), quality was great everywhere. I tried tn010 oem (first finished old toner inside - till white prints, clean and refill old bottles) and all printers made background issues.
All printers work with drums, dv, charge/disch. wires under 500k. It is real lottery as you said. :(
My hope is anybody to say good brand compatible tn911 with high quality