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Digital
02-18-2022, 12:11 PM
Hello guys,
i want to know if someone knows the differences between A00J563600, A64J564101 and A64J564101. I know that the last two that i mentioned have the clip, but i want to know if the are some differences in the materials, or if someone last longer than others.

KMFLT3CH
02-18-2022, 01:58 PM
AA2J560000 (light blue with clip) is the newest and is made of a harder compound than the A64J564101

A64J564101 (pink with clip) is harder than A00J563600

A00J563600 (red, no clip) is the oldest and softest.

Woxner
02-18-2022, 05:08 PM
I was told the red ones are the same just different shafts. I chuck the blue seps on i series and use the red one. Stops a lot of jams

Toxic
02-18-2022, 05:46 PM
Yes, red ones are the softest material and have best grip but also wear quickest.
From my experience they can last at least 100-150k and that is ok for the price.
I replace only red rubber from A00J563600 for ADFs separation rollers too .

srvctec
02-18-2022, 07:42 PM
Yes, red ones are the softest material and have best grip but also wear quickest.
From my experience they can last at least 100-150k and that is ok for the price.
I replace only red rubber from A00J563600 for ADFs separation rollers too .

We used to do that too until we discovered the blue 9J07340901 is a direct drop-in replacement (no need to slide the rubber off the center) and lasts twice as long (since it's quite a bit harder rubber) as using a red A00J563600 rubber. Because the blue one lasts so much longer, the ADF feed roller wears out about the same time but when using the red sep, it would wear out WAY before the feed would. So, especially on high volume scanning customers, we just put on the blue one at the same time as a new feed roller.

tsbservice
02-18-2022, 08:40 PM
We used to do that too until we discovered the blue 9J07340901 is a direct drop-in replacement (no need to slide the rubber off the center) and lasts twice as long as using a red A00J563600 rubber. Because the blue one lasts so much longer, the ADF feed roller wears out about the same time but when using the red sep, it would wear out WAY before the feed would. So, especially on high volume scanning customers, we just put on the blue one at the same time as a new feed roller.

Side question; will this blue roller work better in place of red ones separation rollers (A00J563600) in paper feed units?

srvctec
02-18-2022, 08:58 PM
Side question; will this blue roller work better in place of red ones separation rollers (A00J563600) in paper feed units?

Not sure, haven't tried that yet but I bet they would. You would have to slide off the blue rubber and swap it for the red, though since the center is different.

I should clarify a bit. We put the blue ones on when the feed roller is A143563100 (the on with the white center and gear built in). Can't remember what all ADF's those go on but the rubber on them seems a bit different composition than A00J563600 and it's clear instead of red. When paired with the blue, they work very well together for a very long time.

Digital
02-21-2022, 11:24 AM
Thanks to all for the answers. But i have something else to ask.

For Tray Paper Feed:



A00J563600 (red, no clip) is the oldest and softest.
A64J564101 (pink with clip) is harder than A00J563600.
AA2J560000 (blue with clip) is the newest and is made of a harder compoundthan the A64J564101.



So is right to say that AA2J560000 is the best roller for now?
Should i use it in combination with A64J564101 like Konica do with i Series? Can i use it everywhere or it's better to stick to the rollers that Konica provides for every machine in its PARTS GUIDE MANUAL?



For ADF:


Is 9J07340901 + A143563100 the best combo for DF624?
Is 9J07340901 + A00J563600 the best combo for most recent ADF (like DF629 and DF632)?

copier tech
02-21-2022, 05:48 PM
A64J564101 & A00J563600 are made from exactly the same material.

A64J564101 looks a lighter colour only because the shaft is grey.

tech51
02-21-2022, 06:46 PM
Thanks to all for the answers. But i have something else to ask.

For Tray Paper Feed:



A00J563600 (red, no clip) is the oldest and softest.
A64J564101 (pink with clip) is harder than A00J563600.
AA2J560000 (blue with clip) is the newest and is made of a harder compoundthan the A64J564101.



So is right to say that AA2J560000 is the best roller for now?
Should i use it in combination with A64J564101 like Konica do with i Series? Can i use it everywhere or it's better to stick to the rollers that Konica provides for every machine in its PARTS GUIDE MANUAL?



For ADF:


Is 9J07340901 + A143563100 the best combo for DF624?
Is 9J07340901 + A00J563600 the best combo for most recent ADF (like DF629 and DF632)?



I never use the blue rollers, in fact as someone else said I get rid of them as soon as I can.

As far as I’m concerned it’s important to replace the torque limiter at the same time as the rollers. They start to seize up after a while and cause premature roller wear and jams.

The df combinations look ok to me.

rrrohan
02-22-2022, 07:08 AM
yeah i still just use a00j563600 for almost ever rollers replacement

Ive always just swapped the rubber. same with a108563900 sep rollers, just used the a00j563600 rubber.

avecosat
02-22-2022, 07:20 AM
yeah i still just use a00j563600 for almost ever rollers replacement

Ive always just swapped the rubber. same with a108563900 sep rollers, just used the a00j563600 rubber.


+1 I prefer these rollers

Digital
02-22-2022, 10:29 AM
A64J564101 & A00J563600 are made from exactly the same material.

A64J564101 looks a lighter colour only because the shaft is grey.



What about AA2J560000?
Does its hardness compromise functioning or it's better because it's harder than A00J563600?

In i Series the tray upper roller is A64J564101 and the lower is A00J563600. Why both? Why not only 1 type of roller?


EDIT: i found this KONICA MINOLTA INC. BSLJ-WEB (https://bslj.konicaminolta.com/KonicaMinolta/showPMN.do?action=init&PMNNO=KOM191910&LANG=E)
They wrote that :
In order to improve serviceability, for "Paper feed Roller" at the following positions, New "Paper feed Roller" (AA2J560000) with improved in abrasion resistance by changing
the rubber material has been added as serivce parts.

This is valid for 4 series and 8 series.

KMFLT3CH
02-24-2022, 04:57 PM
Thanks to all for the answers. But i have something else to ask.



For ADF:


Is 9J07340901 + A143563100 the best combo for DF624?
Is 9J07340901 + A00J563600 the best combo for most recent ADF (like DF629 and DF632)?




For ADF sep roller I use A3CFPP4H00 on EVERY model. it's basically a A00J563600 + torque limiter + metal shaft held inside a black holder. they fit everything, and in case it's an older machine with a white holder, just pop out the 4H00 roller+limiter+shaft and insert into the old style holder. They work fantastic.

52267

srvctec
02-24-2022, 05:35 PM
For ADF sep roller I use A3CFPP4H00 on EVERY model. it's basically a A00J563600 + torque limiter + metal shaft held inside a black holder. they fit everything, and in case it's an older machine with a white holder, just pop out the 4H00 roller+limiter+shaft and insert into the old style holder. They work fantastic.

52267

That part is absolutely ridiculously priced at over $60.00 our cost which is why we stopped using it vs. just around $10.00 for the A00J563600 rollers. I don't remember the last time I had a torque limiter cause an issue. I think I've replaced 2 in 33+ years on any machine in any place (not just ADF).

KMFLT3CH
02-24-2022, 05:57 PM
That part is absolutely ridiculously priced at over $60.00 our cost which is why we stopped using it vs. just around $10.00 for the A00J563600 rollers. I don't remember the last time I had a torque limiter cause an issue. I think I've replaced 2 in 33+ years on any machine in any place (not just ADF).

Crazy, those don't even run us 1/3 of your price.

Digital
02-25-2022, 08:39 AM
For ADF sep roller I use A3CFPP4H00 on EVERY model. it's basically a A00J563600 + torque limiter + metal shaft held inside a black holder. they fit everything, and in case it's an older machine with a white holder, just pop out the 4H00 roller+limiter+shaft and insert into the old style holder. They work fantastic.

52267

We use this aswell, but the cost is too high (i think like 30 euro, it's 33$). It's only a roller with a torque limiter!
I think that from now we will replace the roller with 9J07340901, it's much cheaper... and from what i read this roller is more durable.

Prestige3613
09-12-2022, 06:09 PM
A64J564101 & A00J563600 are made from exactly the same material.

A64J564101 looks a lighter colour only because the shaft is grey.


I just found this thread and wanted to ask you all if you've tried using the A00J563600 (https://www.precisionroller.com/a3cfpp4h00-for-konica-minolta/part_number.html) + adding clip instead of the newer A64J564101 (https://www.precisionroller.com/a64j564101-for-konica-minolta/part_number.html) which comes with the clip included. Also, any of you know the part number for the clip?

Also, for the ADF the A3CFPP4H00 (https://www.precisionroller.com/a3cfpp4h00-for-konica-minolta/part_number.html) have you all tried replacing only the tire with A00J563600 and how did that work out for you? One of our guys keeps insisting he needs to replace the entire assembly every single time.

blackcat4866
09-12-2022, 11:09 PM
We just scavenge clips. And the built in clips have broken on a couple of occasions, making it necessary to install a clip.
=^..^=

EarthKmTech
09-12-2022, 11:28 PM
do what works for you - but in certain environments the harder blue sep roller when used in ADF's does cause reliability issues. We change them out for reds when they come from the factory that way on the first complaint of adf pickup jamming / multifeeding. Every roller would be made as hard as rock and last forever if there were no consequences. Everything is a compromise between longevity and performance.

I've had fellow techs whinge when I've retrofitted the blue sep rollers to feed units of early machines - even though its officially allowed, again in certain environments it can increase issues.

Prestige3613
09-12-2022, 11:56 PM
do what works for you - but in certain environments the harder blue sep roller when used in ADF's does cause reliability issues. We change them out for reds when they come from the factory that way on the first complaint of adf pickup jamming / multifeeding. Every roller would be made as hard as rock and last forever if there were no consequences. Everything is a compromise between longevity and performance.

I've had fellow techs whinge when I've retrofitted the blue sep rollers to feed units of early machines - even though its officially allowed, again in certain environments it can increase issues.

Thank you, I appreciate your input.

Prestige3613
09-13-2022, 12:02 AM
We just scavenge clips. And the built in clips have broken on a couple of occasions, making it necessary to install a clip.
=^..^=

Yeah, that's what we're doing but we're running out of units to pull from. I found this one 56AA40490 but I'm not sure if it will work with all the models. Might just order a few to try them.

blackcat4866
09-13-2022, 01:21 AM
Yeah, that's what we're doing but we're running out of units to pull from. I found this one 56AA40490 but I'm not sure if it will work with all the models. Might just order a few to try them.

That's the number I found in the 4 series manual. I'd expect then to ship in packages of a dozen. =^..^=

Reed
09-13-2022, 04:16 AM
If you don't always want to change out the feed and sep roller at the same time. I usually rotate the tires ( as long as the feed roller looks good). I will throw out the sep roller and replace it with the feed roller above and install a brand new feed roller. The sep roller seems to wear out really fast . I haven't had any issues doing it.

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