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brent
04-18-2022, 07:41 PM
wondering if another document feeder will work on a konica minolta bizhub 454e the df 701 took a dive. and it came standard on that but you can
change in the setting from a single scan to dual scan doc feeder.. remove theboard that the connector from the feeder goes into or
are we stuck with just one feeder? thanks much

brent

patrickjlc
04-18-2022, 07:49 PM
You can use another, either the double scan or the basic one. By basic I mean the one that doesn't have the opening door on the white platen.
It will work just fine.

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brent
04-18-2022, 08:07 PM
ok what model doc feeder would work? I was looking for the model number just to see if I had one.. I was told a feeder off a 364 would work but the plug
is wrong and it wont work.

thanks brent

patrickjlc
04-18-2022, 08:16 PM
From a 284e, 364e, i use both and they are interchangeable.

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copyman
04-18-2022, 09:29 PM
From a 284e, 364e, i use both and they are interchangeable.

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The two ADF's used on the "4" series are the DF624, & DF701 (dual scan). I know the DF701 came standard on the Biz 454/554 & C454/C554 models. I've never seen a DF624 on one of these models. Next time I service one going to check service mode to see if same setting to select what feeder like the 224/284/364 color & B&W models as the ADF's were an option and not standard. I wouldn't think a DF624 would work but learn something new every day!

brent
04-19-2022, 04:22 AM
From a 284e, 364e, i use both and they are interchangeable.

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I thought I looked at well I try using a document feeder from a 368 and it was certainly the wrong one so if I use a document feeder from a 364 do I still have to tell her it’s a single scan and I remove the board from the back? I guess that was my only question as far as compatibility thank you so much

Gift
04-19-2022, 07:35 AM
I had to downgade a DF once because the customer complained about different image quality between 1st and 2nd (duplex) side due to CCD vs CIS technology. Wasn't a problem.

allan
04-19-2022, 07:49 AM
I thought I looked at well I try using a document feeder from a 368 and it was certainly the wrong one so if I use a document feeder from a 364 do I still have to tell her it’s a single scan and I remove the board from the back? I guess that was my only question as far as compatibility thank you so much


Don't think you would need to remove the dual side scan board if its set to single side.

patrickjlc
04-19-2022, 11:55 AM
I leave the dual scan board in the machine, just swap the DF.

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patrickjlc
04-19-2022, 11:59 AM
I had to downgade a DF once because the customer complained about different image quality between 1st and 2nd (duplex) side due to CCD vs CIS technology. Wasn't a problem.That is how I found out too, my customer broke the dual scan (dont know how) and only thing I had at the moment of the call was a 364e with the single scan DF, bolted it in, plug in and it work. It has been on that office for a year, on a 454e. Its a immigration office so they do almost 20 thousand scans per month.

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copyman
04-19-2022, 12:13 PM
That is how I found out too, my customer broke the dual scan (dont know how) and only thing I had at the moment of the call was a 364e with the single scan DF, bolted it in, plug in and it work. It has been on that office for a year, on a 454e. Its a immigration office so they do almost 20 thousand scans per month.

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Good to hear the DF624 will definitely work on the 45 & 55 ppm models. You don't mention if you had to change the doc feeder model # in service mode?

patrickjlc
04-19-2022, 12:17 PM
No, I just swapped it.

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patrickjlc
04-19-2022, 12:18 PM
Good to hear the DF624 will definitely work on the 45 & 55 ppm models. You don't mention if you had to change the doc feeder model # in service mode?No, all settings I left like they were.

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copyman
04-19-2022, 12:38 PM
No, all settings I left like they were.

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Interesting because if I remember correctly when I left DF701 unplugged by accident it would throw ADF code. I thought this was from machine recognizing the DF701 interface board still being installed but no feeder.

I do know on the 22-36 ppm models you need to set the correct feeder in service mode or it will throw code. Had this happen many times.

patrickjlc
04-19-2022, 02:14 PM
Here a df 624 and a 701 both are interchangeable. One has two wires and the other just one.

I have both on 284e, 364e, and 454e just plug and play. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220419/4721d2fd317a32cf1eae149041c8d692.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220419/641c741139f6875cecee34b9d034d09f.jpg

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kingarthur
04-19-2022, 02:37 PM
Interesting because if I remember correctly when I left DF701 unplugged by accident it would throw ADF code. I thought this was from machine recognizing the DF701 interface board still being installed but no feeder.

I do know on the 22-36 ppm models you need to set the correct feeder in service mode or it will throw code. Had this happen many times.

I thought the same, when that board has been faulty, and I've unset the RADF the error keeps appearing until the board has been removed....

brent
04-21-2022, 05:59 PM
Don't think you would need to remove the dual side scan board if its set to single side.
ok I worked on it last week before I entered this post.. and nothing I did seemed to work.

I will go back up and install the board and the other doc feeder.. hopefully it works.. the 701 seems impossible to get working


thank you much

brent
04-21-2022, 06:03 PM
[QUOTE=patrickjlc;2136736]Here a df 624 and a 701 both are interchangeable. One has two wires and the other just one.

I have both on 284e, 364e, and 454e just plug and play. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220419/4721d2fd317a32cf1eae149041c8d692.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220419/641c741139f6875cecee34b9d034d09f.jpg
so you left the lower board in that the cis cable is supposed to go into? I just need to go swap the feeders.

thank you

patrickjlc
04-21-2022, 06:25 PM
I unplugged the board and removed it. Left it single scan. I dont know if all bizhub come with the board from the factory. Because i sometimes swap dual scan feeders into lower end 284 to "upgrade" certain customers.

brent
04-21-2022, 06:54 PM
this 454e does indeed come with the board from the factory.. so I unplugged it and it coded out.
so it may need to go back in

brent

copyman
04-21-2022, 10:06 PM
Interesting because if I remember correctly when I left DF701 unplugged by accident it would throw ADF code.I thought this was from machine recognizing the DF701 interface board still being installed but no feeder.

I do know on the 22-36 ppm models you need to set the correct feeder in service mode or it will throw code. Had this happen many times.

Perhaps it was just the C454 that coded out for me. But at least I know I'm not going crazy yet and it did happen.

femaster
04-22-2022, 01:10 AM
this 454e does indeed come with the board from the factory.. so I unplugged it and it coded out.
so it may need to go back in

brent

What was it that you unplugged, the ADF or the dual scan board? You can't remove the dual scan board and leave the DF-701 connected, just as you can't disconnect the DF-701 without first telling the copier that there is no ADF. Either of these situations will cause a code. If you want to disconnect the DF-701 temporarily, be sure to tell the copier that there is no ADF first, and you should be fine. The setting is in service mode under System 2, ADF Setting. Set to "NONE" or "Unset". This is also where you will tell the copier which ADF you have, the 701 or the 624, after you swap it out.

brent
04-27-2022, 04:01 PM
It’s fixed. It was easy I just reinstall the lower board install the document feeder told it would document feeder it had good to go so thank you guys so much for the compatibility answers with this and with the finisher that fits so many models I really have appreciated the information




What was it that you unplugged, the ADF or the dual scan board? You can't remove the dual scan board and leave the DF-701 connected, just as you can't disconnect the DF-701 without first telling the copier that there is no ADF. Either of these situations will cause a code. If you want to disconnect the DF-701 temporarily, be sure to tell the copier that there is no ADF first, and you should be fine. The setting is in service mode under System 2, ADF Setting. Set to "NONE" or "Unset". This is also where you will tell the copier which ADF you have, the 701 or the 624, after you swap it out.

tsbservice
04-27-2022, 06:34 PM
It’s fixed. It was easy I just reinstall the lower board install the document feeder told it would document feeder it had good to go so thank you guys so much for the compatibility answers with this and with the finisher that fits so many models I really have appreciated the information

Thank you brent for following up.

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