copiertechjack
01-11-2009, 08:11 PM
Could someone with knowledge on resetting iu's on KonicaMinolta tell me what is the cheapest route to go, and what is a proven method. Thank You /C350
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TheOwl
01-11-2009, 10:23 PM
We have been resetting IU chips here for about a year and a half with great success. We can usually get twice to three times the life out of an IU.
The only thing with the way we are doing this here is that we have alot more calls for copy quality issues. These calls are from failed IU's that have done an excessive ammount of work.
As for companies such as print shops and so on, we just replace the IU's as copy quality has to remain at it's best, there for units are replaced as required.
Some one else here on the forum might be able to give you a cost analysis of technician time vs unit cost and technicain time.
Even though we do rechip IU's and re-fuse transfer belts and fusers, my prefference would be to replace units as required to stop so many calls outs. If someone has an idea how to better stop the extra call outs, it might be a good place to post that here so as a full comparison can be done.
The only thing with the way we are doing this here is that we have alot more calls for copy quality issues. These calls are from failed IU's that have done an excessive ammount of work.
As for companies such as print shops and so on, we just replace the IU's as copy quality has to remain at it's best, there for units are replaced as required.
Some one else here on the forum might be able to give you a cost analysis of technician time vs unit cost and technicain time.
Even though we do rechip IU's and re-fuse transfer belts and fusers, my prefference would be to replace units as required to stop so many calls outs. If someone has an idea how to better stop the extra call outs, it might be a good place to post that here so as a full comparison can be done.
redime
01-12-2009, 05:46 AM
STOP RESETTING IU's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am sure your company has the ability to update firmware, make sure you have Phase 3.0 on your machines and simply do the following at your next service calls.
Step 1. This Bulletin changes image stabilization to extend from 140 copies/prints to 400, causing less wear and tear on the IU and can increase life by 10-15% all on its own
http://solutions.ogator.com/5705.pdf
Step 2. Now that you have done this, turn "Life Stop" to off. This tells the machine NOT to give the IU service message, the bars will fill up as normal but will not stop when maximum is reached. This allows you to only change when poor quality is achieved!
(this is for C300, C352, C352P)
http://solutions.ogator.com/6105.pdf
or...
(this is for all others)
http://solutions.ogator.com/6525.pdf
We have hundreds of these machines in the field, and doing very well after using this technique. Obviously any machines on a monthly service contract you will want to stay on top of doing basic IU cleaning with the blue wands, cleaning the LEDS's, etc.
I am sure your company has the ability to update firmware, make sure you have Phase 3.0 on your machines and simply do the following at your next service calls.
Step 1. This Bulletin changes image stabilization to extend from 140 copies/prints to 400, causing less wear and tear on the IU and can increase life by 10-15% all on its own
http://solutions.ogator.com/5705.pdf
Step 2. Now that you have done this, turn "Life Stop" to off. This tells the machine NOT to give the IU service message, the bars will fill up as normal but will not stop when maximum is reached. This allows you to only change when poor quality is achieved!
(this is for C300, C352, C352P)
http://solutions.ogator.com/6105.pdf
or...
(this is for all others)
http://solutions.ogator.com/6525.pdf
We have hundreds of these machines in the field, and doing very well after using this technique. Obviously any machines on a monthly service contract you will want to stay on top of doing basic IU cleaning with the blue wands, cleaning the LEDS's, etc.
pepper38_cnd
01-15-2009, 03:36 AM
STOP RESETTING IU's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am sure your company has the ability to update firmware, make sure you have Phase 3.0 on your machines and simply do the following at your next service calls.
Step 1. This Bulletin changes image stabilization to extend from 140 copies/prints to 400, causing less wear and tear on the IU and can increase life by 10-15% all on its own
http://solutions.ogator.com/5705.pdf
Step 2. Now that you have done this, turn "Life Stop" to off. This tells the machine NOT to give the IU service message, the bars will fill up as normal but will not stop when maximum is reached. This allows you to only change when poor quality is achieved!
(this is for C300, C352, C352P)
http://solutions.ogator.com/6105.pdf
or...
(this is for all others)
http://solutions.ogator.com/6525.pdf
We have hundreds of these machines in the field, and doing very well after using this technique. Obviously any machines on a monthly service contract you will want to stay on top of doing basic IU cleaning with the blue wands, cleaning the LEDS's, etc.
redime obviously has a passion against chip reseting
He must not have a profit sharing program with his employer or even care about whether he has a job tomorrow or not. The fact is that in an independent dealership, we sell service contracts based on the manufacturer suggested yields and recommended cost per copy. If in fact the Manufactured suggested yields are wrong and the cost of copy is skewed then we lose money! The only way we can succeed is to try and accomplish the yields we base our cost on.
Rechipping is our way of trying to reach those predicted yields! We are not a greedy bunch rather, just trying to get what we thought was what we contracted for in the first place.
I would like to see a show of hands. If your are an authorized dealer and after doing all the manufacture has recommended. you feel you are getting the yield they promised let us know.
If you are still falling way short of the yields they say and you agree that rechipping is the only way to break even. then say so.
I personally know that KonicaMinolta themselves agreed that rechipping was the best way to reach there recommended cost per copy goals. And at the time they were actually offering the chip resetting service themselves.
redime is not doing any body a service by saying stop rechipping! Yes I know that some rehipped IU's are prone to failure especially if the techs just simply rechip and do not follow the recommended procedures.
Most Iu's if rechipped properly will go at least another 80%, belts if refuse will go an entire second life and fusers at least another 50%. If you half half a brain you can see the the savings on one copier can be significant. On an entire customer base they can be huge.
If redime was employed by me, he would be looking for another job tomorrow! His advise is just bad and will cost you a ton of money if not your business!
If your are not curentlly rechipping send me one set of chips (only chips on my order form) I will reprogram them for free and send them back to you ( NorthAmerica Only )
Try it and see what you think. I am certain you will proove redime wrong and will be on the road to greatly increasing your profitability. See my links below , or click on the blinking KonikaMinolta Dealers in the banner adds. just fill out the order form and put redime in the PO# line, I am sure you will be completely satified!
If in doubt PM me.
I am sure your company has the ability to update firmware, make sure you have Phase 3.0 on your machines and simply do the following at your next service calls.
Step 1. This Bulletin changes image stabilization to extend from 140 copies/prints to 400, causing less wear and tear on the IU and can increase life by 10-15% all on its own
http://solutions.ogator.com/5705.pdf
Step 2. Now that you have done this, turn "Life Stop" to off. This tells the machine NOT to give the IU service message, the bars will fill up as normal but will not stop when maximum is reached. This allows you to only change when poor quality is achieved!
(this is for C300, C352, C352P)
http://solutions.ogator.com/6105.pdf
or...
(this is for all others)
http://solutions.ogator.com/6525.pdf
We have hundreds of these machines in the field, and doing very well after using this technique. Obviously any machines on a monthly service contract you will want to stay on top of doing basic IU cleaning with the blue wands, cleaning the LEDS's, etc.
redime obviously has a passion against chip reseting
He must not have a profit sharing program with his employer or even care about whether he has a job tomorrow or not. The fact is that in an independent dealership, we sell service contracts based on the manufacturer suggested yields and recommended cost per copy. If in fact the Manufactured suggested yields are wrong and the cost of copy is skewed then we lose money! The only way we can succeed is to try and accomplish the yields we base our cost on.
Rechipping is our way of trying to reach those predicted yields! We are not a greedy bunch rather, just trying to get what we thought was what we contracted for in the first place.
I would like to see a show of hands. If your are an authorized dealer and after doing all the manufacture has recommended. you feel you are getting the yield they promised let us know.
If you are still falling way short of the yields they say and you agree that rechipping is the only way to break even. then say so.
I personally know that KonicaMinolta themselves agreed that rechipping was the best way to reach there recommended cost per copy goals. And at the time they were actually offering the chip resetting service themselves.
redime is not doing any body a service by saying stop rechipping! Yes I know that some rehipped IU's are prone to failure especially if the techs just simply rechip and do not follow the recommended procedures.
Most Iu's if rechipped properly will go at least another 80%, belts if refuse will go an entire second life and fusers at least another 50%. If you half half a brain you can see the the savings on one copier can be significant. On an entire customer base they can be huge.
If redime was employed by me, he would be looking for another job tomorrow! His advise is just bad and will cost you a ton of money if not your business!
If your are not curentlly rechipping send me one set of chips (only chips on my order form) I will reprogram them for free and send them back to you ( NorthAmerica Only )
Try it and see what you think. I am certain you will proove redime wrong and will be on the road to greatly increasing your profitability. See my links below , or click on the blinking KonikaMinolta Dealers in the banner adds. just fill out the order form and put redime in the PO# line, I am sure you will be completely satified!
If in doubt PM me.
lasersmart
01-05-2010, 01:45 PM
Hi!
I just rewrote a chip (Cyan) for C350. I am sure 100% the dump is good (from a new unit), but the machine show me only 50% life of the drum. Where am I wrong?
I just rewrote a chip (Cyan) for C350. I am sure 100% the dump is good (from a new unit), but the machine show me only 50% life of the drum. Where am I wrong?
mp4wizzard
01-05-2010, 02:07 PM
I have made my own rechipping tool, it's not the best looker, but does the job.
This was made for the Xerox and Dell family of chips, but I'm sure it could be adapted for almost anything else.
More details and Pictures can bee seen here.
USB 25xxx SPI EEprom programmer (http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:rjaIE-hgStIJ:www.sigma-shop.com/manuals/25xxx_usb_manual.pdf+Keeprog&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk)
You will need a full chip so you can save the dump and that info can be reused for recharge and "refill" used chips.
Please feel free to PM me if you need any help
Eddie
This was made for the Xerox and Dell family of chips, but I'm sure it could be adapted for almost anything else.
More details and Pictures can bee seen here.
USB 25xxx SPI EEprom programmer (http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:rjaIE-hgStIJ:www.sigma-shop.com/manuals/25xxx_usb_manual.pdf+Keeprog&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk)
You will need a full chip so you can save the dump and that info can be reused for recharge and "refill" used chips.
Please feel free to PM me if you need any help
Eddie
mp4wizzard
01-05-2010, 02:31 PM
Just realised the pictures of the chip reader/writer did not attach??
You can view them here
Picasa Web Albums - mp4wizzard - reader pictures (http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/mp4wizzard/ReaderPictures?authkey=Gv1sRgCPLb4KvJiOmbFg#)
Eddie
You can view them here
Picasa Web Albums - mp4wizzard - reader pictures (http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/mp4wizzard/ReaderPictures?authkey=Gv1sRgCPLb4KvJiOmbFg#)
Eddie
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