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  • 40yearsplus
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    C458 Says Replenish Cyan toner and Cyan toner slot shows toner empty

    I have a KM C458 that actually ran out of cyan toner in the field. When I replaced the toner the cyan tried to refill but could not or said replenish cyan toner and the color slot that shows no toner in the unit.
    I'm limited on substituting parts because I do not have a spare one at present. What I have done is added cyan manually with the service tool and the ATC level is about 5.5 now enough so it should work. I also pulled the developer to see if the brush looked depleted or enough gone to cause a problem, it does not visually. I pulled the sub hopper out and apart and checked the mylar that shows toner full in the sub hopper it was ok. Also cleaned the sensors that the mylar eventually activate when the sub hopper is full. I spun the sub hopper gears manually and everything is working fine also. Watched the gears spin that adds toner to the hopper with the top cover off and watched the toner spin fine also. I also pulled the piezoelectric sensor off the back to inspect for debris on the cyan developer and there is no debris. I swapped the contacts that read the toner with another one of the color units due to they are the same and the cyan is still not recognised.
    Swapped drum units to eliminate any shorting but they are fine.

    I'm trying to thumb drive the firmware but that has not started possibly due to there is still a real problem not firmware. So Im asking here what in the unit tells that the toner is new in the unit? It has to be the Controller board all these sensors attach to in the front of the machine but tell me if i,m wrong. If I order that board that is a cheap troubleshoot and maybe new Cyan Developer. Although with all the readings I get I don't think its the dev unit or dev?

    Has anyone had this particular problem? We monitor the units but for some reason the toner running out was not visible by any report. Any help with the above is appreciated. I myself don't believe in something going in the field that a back up unit for parts is not kept in the shop, but we have a space problem. Im sure you get it. Any ideas and help is appreciated. Also did a reset of problem to unit through power and reset key held.
    Last edited by 40yearsplus; 03-21-2023, 08:54 PM. Reason: Added info
  • tsbservice
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    Re: C458 Says Replenish Cyan toner and Cyan toner slot shows toner empty

    Try to use engine FW dip switches in CE mode. It's in manual 4 toners are through 31-34 I believe just don't remember which exactly is Cyan.
    Btw good job on troubleshooting this problem 👍
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    • 40yearsplus
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      Re: C458 Says Replenish Cyan toner and Cyan toner slot shows toner empty

      HI TB Thanks,

      What will the service switch do for the unit. Ill look for that in the manual. Thanks for helping!

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      • tsbservice
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        Re: C458 Says Replenish Cyan toner and Cyan toner slot shows toner empty

        Originally posted by 40yearsplus
        HI TB Thanks,

        What will the service switch do for the unit. Ill look for that in the manual. Thanks for helping!
        It should raise toner to full level at 100%
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        • JasonSBE
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          • Apr 2014
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          Re: C458 Says Replenish Cyan toner and Cyan toner slot shows toner empty

          I've had a similar problem with black. If you go into state confirmation, what does the table history show? Is cyan in the same vicinity as the other colors or abnormally high? Also, if you open the chute for cyan in the sub hopper, is it full? It is possible a clump of toner is holding it back from getting into the developer.

          Also, to add to what tsbservice was talking about... it isn't in the manual but the switch is 33 for cyan. It's under engine dip sw in enhanced security mode. Enable switch 33, then reboot the mfp.

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          • 40yearsplus
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            Re: C458 Says Replenish Cyan toner and Cyan toner slot shows toner empty

            Thanks ill try these things tomorrow.

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            • 40yearsplus
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              Re: C458 Says Replenish Cyan toner and Cyan toner slot shows toner empty

              Im having trouble getting into enhanced security mode. I got this far from the Konica User Guide
              • [Administrator Settings][Security Settings][Enhanced Security Mode]
                  • When I get to the enchanced security mode screen it is just blank with no selections available. Is this a big process to get to the setting I need to? It looks like there are a lot of things that need to be pre-set by the administrator to turn on Enhanced Security.
                  • This isn't something that we usually do, so we are unfamiliar with what it might affect.
                  • Also will the unit then start reading as a regular toner and measuring as it gets empty or do I have to change anything back.
                  • Thank You for any help.

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              • emujo2
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                #8
                Re: C458 Says Replenish Cyan toner and Cyan toner slot shows toner empty

                Service mode, not admin

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                • Gift
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                  • Mar 2011
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                  Re: C458 Says Replenish Cyan toner and Cyan toner slot shows toner empty

                  So Im asking here what in the unit tells that the toner is new in the unit?
                  I think if the unit detects toner low/end condition after the front door has been opened and closed it assumes it got a new toner and tries to recover.
                  If it succeeded the toner remaining icon jumps to 100%. At least my fleet management sees this behaviour pretty often if people try and just shake a bottle and use it again.
                  Of course this only lasts for a few pages until it ran into toner low/end condition again.

                  Some models also do have reset chips on the toners but obviosly some machine doesn't really care for checking these chips.

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                  • 40yearsplus
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                    Re: C458 Says Replenish Cyan toner and Cyan toner slot shows toner empty

                    Many Thanks to TSBservice for the private message response and simplifying this for us.

                    Anyone with this problem his response was after logging in to service mode, use the following keys to get into Enhanced security.

                    Press "Stop-0-Clear" keys in this order. The numbered keys will be on the display.

                    Touch Engine FW DIP Switch

                    Touch the key that corresponds to the switch number of the function to be set and check the key is highlighted. On state

                    Touch End

                    Reboot

                    Posting here for others if problem in the future thank tsbservice.

                    Thanks again to tsbservice your awesome !!

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