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mp4wizzard
08-10-2010, 12:00 AM
So where can I fine the rules??
I replied to a post and was "reported" for having broken the rules by another member "manuals4you" because I added a link to website that ....... surprize surprize had a link to a manual.
I think manuals4you got a bit upset ............ he said it was against the rules and I was ................
"NOT ALLOWED TO POST LINKS TO SITES WITH MANUALS"
Yet evey post "manuals4you" repies to ........... has a link to his/ her website.

Am I missing something............... or is Manuals4you also breaking the rules??

I'm still a newish member and would be really pleased if someone can adjudicate and tell me if I'm in violation of the rules and even where these rules can be found??
Or if there are other rules for senior members like "Manuals4you" who can indeed post replies with a link to a website that advertises manuals :)
Thanks in advance
Eddie

jamesyboy
08-10-2010, 12:16 AM
I thought the rules are we are all toner monkies here to help one another and share infomation without selling what we have been given for free merely exchanging gained knowledge earned througth shitty days im with you sir what are the rules!!!!

JustManuals
08-10-2010, 03:41 AM
As a PAID Supporter of this site. I have every right to post my links.

JustManuals
08-10-2010, 03:41 AM
Open your eyes. The link is on the top menu!

SCREWTAPE
08-10-2010, 03:51 AM
So where can I fine the rules??
I replied to a post and was "reported" for having broken the rules by another member "manuals4you" because I added a link to website that ....... surprize surprize had a link to a manual.
I think manuals4you got a bit upset ............ he said it was against the rules and I was ................
"NOT ALLOWED TO POST LINKS TO SITES WITH MANUALS"
Yet evey post "manuals4you" repies to ........... has a link to his/ her website.

Am I missing something............... or is Manuals4you also breaking the rules??

I'm still a newish member and would be really pleased if someone can adjudicate and tell me if I'm in violation of the rules and even where these rules can be found??
Or if there are other rules for senior members like "Manuals4you" who can indeed post replies with a link to a website that advertises manuals :)
Thanks in advance
Eddie
Maybe this can clear up the air of what can be posted and attached.
Manuals should not be given for free even though some of us have access for free.
Once a end user gets a manual, they think that they can handle such issues that arise.

Two things out of this...

One, it causes more issues for the user.

Two, its bad for business!
http://www.copytechnet.com/forums/system-announcements/28332-clarification-rules-regarding-copyrighted-material.html

theewizard
08-10-2010, 04:02 AM
OK I posted a couple of days ago and I cannot find it anywhere. If it has been removed for whatever reason shouldn't I be informed? Being new to this site I don't know the rules either though I did take notice of the post by Aneurysm to the effect that there have been extensive upgrades to the system. I had a problem with my post and didn't receive acknowledgement that it took so I tried again, twice, only to switch browsers as Opera has a few glitches and I thought that would solve the problem only to find when logging in with FireFox that it took each time. I wasn't the only one with that problem as there was another user with three posts in a row. Do I have to be a PAID supporter of this site to be treated with respect? I understand that newbies make mistakes and as such should be schooled with the same courtesy and respect that the oldies demand for themselves. Are you, manuals4you, the only member that can offer manuals for members and how did you attain that status? Your flippant attitude is appalling and you should check yourself as you are living on God's time just like the rest of us.

JustManuals
08-10-2010, 05:17 AM
You can do all the trading you want. I do extensive trading myself. You may NOT post links to other manuals sites or to manuals themselves.

Forum Rules:
Just a quick note regarding the posting of copyrighted material, or to be more specific, the posting of Service manuals on this site.
Cut-and-Paste of a few pages to help someone out = OK
Posting an entire service manual or a direct link to it = NOT OK

nmfaxman
08-10-2010, 05:19 AM
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In case you missed it, but M4Y should read rule # 8 to be fair.

mp4wizzard
08-10-2010, 10:26 AM
All I did was to try and help someone........ it was never my intention to break the rules or to advertise or to give away copyrighted material. It was only a link .......... which is still there.
If it was wrong and so bad and I've broken the rules...... why is that link still on the forum?
I think it has got blown out of all proportion.
I've been striped of my Rep power......... and reported .... just because I tried to help someone.
That'll teach me to try and help anyone in the future.
I'm pleased to see that I'm not alone in thinking that certain "paid members" think they can bully and report junior members for innocent mistakes.
I'm a member of other similar forums, ....... but they treat ALL members with the same respect and there is no bullying and innocent mistakes are treated as innocent mistakes and any privileges or high scores are not taken away.
Thanks to the other junior members (You know who you are) who have let me know I'm not alone.

blackcat4866
08-10-2010, 05:03 PM
OK I posted a couple of days ago and I cannot find it anywhere....

wizard, you just had the same misfortune we all had over the Saturday and Sunday. It's not about you. The whole website did not accept posts for ~48 hours. Just relax...

=^..^=

jamesyboy
08-10-2010, 05:15 PM
this manual firmware thing is all a bit !!!!!
why does the site not have a place were people can donate such things and then who ever wants them could give a donation to a site chosen charity ??

mp4wizzard
08-10-2010, 05:26 PM
I agree,
Where do I start......
Other sites welcome free exchange...... just so long as it does not breach any copyright.
But I doubt that will ever happen here as certain members (I think we all know who we are talking about have "paid" for the priviledge of advertising feel it gives them the right to do as they please and bully us junior members by leaving not 1 or 2 , but 4 negative reputation points......
Its plain and simple BULLYING and an attempt to try and keep us quiet and in our place.
AND ..... the link I posted that was worth -4 reputation points is still there, if it was so bad and wrong, why has it not been removed?

nivssluck
08-10-2010, 05:28 PM
this manual firmware thing is all a bit !!!!!
why does the site not have a place were people can donate such things and then who ever wants them could give a donation to a site chosen charity ??

good idea so far....

charm5496
08-10-2010, 08:18 PM
There is a seperate section for manual requests and I wish people would keep all the request for manuals in there. I personally do not have a problem with the manuals4you posting his link as his money helps support the website and keep the infomation flowing here.

I personally do not trade any manuals as you never know what the experience level of the person is who you are giving the manual to and it usually causes more headaches than it is worth....

mp4wizzard
08-10-2010, 08:26 PM
There is a seperate section for manual requests and I wish people would keep all the request for manuals in there. I personally do not have a problem with the manuals4you posting his link as his money helps support the website and keep the infomation flowing here.

I personally do not trade any manuals as you never know what the experience level of the person is who you are giving the manual to and it usually causes more headaches than it is worth....

I agree I don't have problems with anyone posting links, BUT I do think its misleading to have one rule for one set of members like manuals4you and another rule for other none paying members of this forum.
I also think its a bit mean of manuals4you to deduct 4 reputation points as punishment or retaliation for what was a simple mistake and not fully understanding the rules.

JustManuals
08-10-2010, 10:08 PM
That's whats great about this country. You can STILL think what you want.

SCREWTAPE
08-10-2010, 10:20 PM
That's whats great about this country. You can STILL think what you want.

He,He,He

What a sentiment quote.

AyJayAreDii
08-10-2010, 10:51 PM
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Yes I know that you cant take information from places like wiki and it to be perfect information. I am Just showing how I see problems with selling manuals. As long as it is legal... there could just be a link on the (top, bottom, side of page) It is frustrating seeing his posts everywhere. It seem most of the time he is just in the way of the when there is Service Manual Requests / For Sale, Trade, or Wanted Forums on this site.

However I do not make the rules and if he is not breaking any rules then we have no right to tell him not to post. Also if when you post a new thread with you r first post you could say something like " I have this problem on this M/C I do have Manuals" there is not point him posting if he can not get a sale. if you say you do not have Manuals or you don't know what a code means etc. Then it is fair for him to post as you have just advertised yourself as a potential customer, in which he obviously gets.

No offence to Anyone if I have. I have tried to make this as neutral as possible.

zed255
08-11-2010, 01:10 AM
I have no issue with someone hawking their wares. I know things like Ricoh manuals are free to those with the access to one or more of the various technical sites Ricoh hosts. I do have an issue with someone who is selling such information which was initially free in the first place.

JustManuals
08-11-2010, 03:25 AM
I agree,
Where do I start......
Other sites welcome free exchange...... just so long as it does not breach any copyright.
But I doubt that will ever happen here as certain members (I think we all know who we are talking about have "paid" for the priviledge of advertising feel it gives them the right to do as they please and bully us junior members by leaving not 1 or 2 , but 4 negative reputation points......
Its plain and simple BULLYING and an attempt to try and keep us quiet and in our place.
AND ..... the link I posted that was worth -4 reputation points is still there, if it was so bad and wrong, why has it not been removed? Because the Admin is lazy

There was no bullying whatsoever. The message I sent you also was sent to the Admin, for the specific reason so you can't say I was rude or a bully. As far as reputations, you can only deduct reputation 1 point at a time, if you lost 4 points, it wasn't all by me.
I have supported this site since it went up.
And as far as posting my links. You do not understand the economics of the Internet. It's all about links and exposure, front links, back links etc. Google crawls this site, the more of my posts it sees, the higher up in the 'free' rankings I become. Wether a user buys a manual or not really doesn't matter as Google will see it and I'll have more links which means I can spend less money on Google advertising, and depend on the natural links. Same thing for this site.

Paul@justmanuals.com

nmfaxman
08-11-2010, 03:27 AM
Also if when you post a new thread with you r first post you could say something like " I have this problem on this M/C I do have Manuals.

Call it "TINAMS".

This
Is
Not
A
Manual
Search????

jamesyboy
08-11-2010, 08:36 AM
Rules!! Iam in the red"has had some shameless behviour in the past!" and actually dont even know why stripped of rep power
but Im not here for the glory just to see if I can offer help and will carry on regardless

is there a manual for the rules!!!

jonezy999
08-11-2010, 09:32 AM
is there a manual for the rules!!!

The rules manual is available at ***********.com for $11.77 and can be downloaded immediately after payment.

Sorry, its nearly time for me to go home and i just couldnt resist. Shame me and strip me of rep if u must.

tcs04
08-11-2010, 05:37 PM
[QUOTE=jonezy999;157592]The rules manual is available at ***********.com for $11.77 and can be downloaded immediately after payment.


:D:D:D:D:D!!!

zaza
08-11-2010, 06:20 PM
hello friend technician mp4wizzard...realy you can not published any link in your response for other technician but you can sent any link by prevat .it's better ...other this plumber ..manuals4you .has her personal rules ..this rules consisted only her website ..but never in our copytechnet ...because copytechnet it is not her personal website ..so all technician can assistance and healpeness ...collaborate together ...me l collaborate better with other technician ..for more service manuals and frimware ..well welcome there my technician friend .

blackcat4866
08-11-2010, 08:08 PM
As a supporting member Paul pays for the exclusive right to provide manuals here. I can fully understand the problem he has with members posting links to other manual sources on open forum. He's got a business to run and is being encroached upon.

If you want to share a manual, send a private message. Simple solution. As long as it's private noone cares.

That's my only bitch with this website, really. The member contingent that always seeks something for free, and has nothing to give. There ought to be the "I need..." members group, and can read all of their own selfish 'I want...' posts.

This site used to be about sharing experience and advice, and I'll be glad when it gets back to that place. =^..^=

deep
08-11-2010, 08:10 PM
I'm not stand against/for any person here just feel the rules are a bit unfair and harsh to the general members.

Don't forget the paid members are doing business here, not unconditional contribution to this website. The general members are contributing their spare time unconditionlly to help each other. All of us contribute in different ways.

Remember the more the member here, the more the popularity of this website and the more the business. Keep this website in harmony and long lasting.

tcs04
08-11-2010, 08:53 PM
I have no issue with someone hawking their wares. I know things like Ricoh manuals are free to those with the access to one or more of the various technical sites Ricoh hosts. I do have an issue with someone who is selling such information which was initially free in the first place.

Hear Hear!

....and I'm surprised that Ricoh (and the other manufacturers) don't have a problem with a third party selling their manuals! Especially as these are, in most cases, designed to be accessible, via the tech sites mentioned, only to those who have reached a recognised skill level and are employed by a dealer.

deep
08-11-2010, 09:09 PM
Talking about Ricoh manuals, I'm curious why all their manuals didn't carry the front and back cover? They look like being stripped off.

jamesyboy
08-13-2010, 11:24 AM
thinking a bit a loud ! its probally a good thing for memebers to exchange manuals etc by private message otherwise this information could be bootlegged and sold

not having a go just thinking aloud if I can help anyone with such things send me a message

cheers dudes jamesyboy toner monkey of the 21st century

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jamesyboy
08-15-2010, 02:29 AM
well said! jamesyboy rep power zero but happy to help anyone for free!

mmru4real
08-15-2010, 05:48 AM
Stirton I applaud you because you just said what many have thought especially when there is a thread asking for help then immediately there is a mysterious post from a mysterious someone trying to hawk a manual, that is a big pet peeve of mine, help if you will, if not dont try to hawk a manual, everyone knows if they want to buy a manual where to look sorry for the rant

Stirton.M
08-15-2010, 02:11 PM
Stirton I applaud you because you just said what many have thought especially when there is a thread asking for help then immediately there is a mysterious post from a mysterious someone trying to hawk a manual, that is a big pet peeve of mine, help if you will, if not dont try to hawk a manual, everyone knows if they want to buy a manual where to look sorry for the rant

Thanks. It was all for naught.

That ASSHOLE stripped my reputation completely. 10 on the rep power gone. And the site admins I suspect will not do anything about it.

pepper38_cnd
08-15-2010, 02:51 PM
While you are applauding Stirton, please realize this. Stirton is one of the few people on this forum that claims to actually work directly for the manufacturer. In this case Konica Minolta. His direct attacks on Manuals4you, he claims to be protecting Konica Minolta rights to their confidential material and information. Yet if you look at all the posts and attachments Stirton M has posted you will find a lot of Bulletins, Tech Tips and other documents from Konica Minolta that are clearly marked "CONFIDENTIAL" and "Internal Use Only" and "Do Not Redistribute" and "Copyrighted"

I applaud Paul for being a stand up guy and not reporting the activities of Stirton M directly to Konica Minolta Canada. Lets face it for Konica Minolta to go after Manuals4You would cost them a whole lot of time and money. But calling Stirton M into the office and "dismissing him with cause" would cost them nothing as he has clearly violated his employee agreement. I'm sure they would not be too please with the vulgar language and other activities of their employee on this very public forum.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!

jamesyboy
08-15-2010, 02:58 PM
does stirton m sell this information you mention or merely give it to whoever needs it for free !!!!

pepper38_cnd
08-15-2010, 03:13 PM
does stirton m sell this information you mention or merely give it to whoever needs it for free !!!!

If you were his Boss ( Konica Minolta Canada ) would it matter? It's information you have paid for and entrusted him with, and pay him to use as a Technician assisting your customers only! Not to mention it is clearly marked as such!

zaza
08-15-2010, 03:14 PM
this plumber manuals4 from him ..has attacked me to ..to this long time ..but l can't leasting for him ..because it is not real profissional technician ...

jamesyboy
08-15-2010, 03:22 PM
if you cant fix them get into sales

Stirton.M
08-15-2010, 04:35 PM
While you are applauding Stirton, please realize this. Stirton is one of the few people on this forum that claims to actually work directly for the manufacturer. In this case Konica Minolta. His direct attacks on Manuals4you, he claims to be protecting Konica Minolta rights to their confidential material and information. Yet if you look at all the posts and attachments Stirton M has posted you will find a lot of Bulletins, Tech Tips and other documents from Konica Minolta that are clearly marked "CONFIDENTIAL" and "Internal Use Only" and "Do Not Redistribute" and "Copyrighted"

I applaud Paul for being a stand up guy and not reporting the activities of Stirton M directly to Konica Minolta Canada. Lets face it for Konica Minolta to go after Manuals4You would cost them a whole lot of time and money. But calling Stirton M into the office and "dismissing him with cause" would cost them nothing as he has clearly violated his employee agreement. I'm sure they would not be too please with the vulgar language and other activities of their employee on this very public forum.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!

There is an intrinsic difference.

I do not provide the full service manuals and I do not sell them for personal profit. And the matter had already been discussed with people who know more about this at my office. I am an agent of KM. Paul is not. Paul is profiting off the sale of copyright material from KM. A huge distinction.

As for the language, I agree that they would not be happy with it. Most (99%) of my posts are quite civil. 95% of my posts are directly helping people find solutions. But when it comes to people like Paul, who says he is not a bully, damn rights I am going to make an issue of with him. He pissed me off and the language is making it bloody clear to any who see it how much. I know for certain most of his posts are spam, and little else, just from simply observing him this past year.

RRodgers
08-15-2010, 08:17 PM
if you cant fix them get into sales

Those who can do, those who cannot, teach.... or become salesman. :) lol

JustManuals
08-15-2010, 08:30 PM
And those who can't teach, teach gym.

jamesyboy
08-15-2010, 09:10 PM
as a sales guy once told me in his 60 grand uk sterling merc if you cant fix shit sell more shit
and people like you will find a work aroundbecause yore clever
Ill find a work around and sleep at night!

pepper38_cnd
08-17-2010, 03:32 AM
Just Curious did anyone else notice that if you look back on all of Stirton M' s post he removed all of his attachments that were confidential, or copy righted? Ya and he says he had the approval of his company! Well I have screen shots of all of them. And I know all of the folks at Konica Minolta Canada. I suspect we have heard the last of his posturing!!! He does not represent Konica Minolta Canada or any other Canadians, he is just a loud mouth idiot who likes to hear himself talk. Pay him no attention.

jonezy999
08-17-2010, 05:29 AM
OKOKOK fellas, enough is enough. Lets all just get back to good ol' copytechnet and help each other out. Im sure we all have something out there we're gunna need help with again. Keep the knowledge flowing people.

Peace.

Stirton.M
08-17-2010, 08:14 AM
Just Curious did anyone else notice that if you look back on all of Stirton M' s post he removed all of his attachments that were confidential, or copy righted? Ya and he says he had the approval of his company! Well I have screen shots of all of them. And I know all of the folks at Konica Minolta Canada. I suspect we have heard the last of his posturing!!! He does not represent Konica Minolta Canada or any other Canadians, he is just a loud mouth idiot who likes to hear himself talk. Pay him no attention.

Ok. Making a whole bunch of BS up.

PROVE IT!

Show ANY POST, ALL POSTS of mine that have had previous stuff removed by me, according to your BS. Provide the links to the edited stuff.

PUT IT UP PAL! Screen shots too.

That should be a riot to see just how petty you can be.

People like you are pretty sad. You make up a lot of BS and I can guarantee you cannot substantiate ANY of it.

Be sure to show the posts I removed content you think I originally put up. And while you are at it, be sure to pay attention to the bottom of the posts I supposedly edited. It will look surprisingly like the following...

5774

Quit being an ass. You do not like the fact I spoke out about your "friend"? And you made up shit about it. And now you cannot find any proof and suddenly accuse me of editing my posts to "hide" evidence? So now you choose to be petty about it? Says a lot about you I guess.

Put up or shut up.

Ducttape n Glue
08-17-2010, 03:45 PM
Good one, LMAO
if you cant fix them get into sales

tcs04
08-18-2010, 09:25 PM
well said! jamesyboy rep power zero but happy to help anyone for free!

As per the Avatar!

tcs04
08-18-2010, 09:27 PM
And those who can't teach, teach gym.

............... OR sell other people manuals!!

tcs04
08-18-2010, 10:07 PM
There is an intrinsic difference.

I do not provide the full service manuals and I do not sell them for personal profit. And the matter had already been discussed with people who know more about this at my office. I am an agent of KM. Paul is not. Paul is profiting off the sale of copyright material from KM. A huge distinction.

As for the language, I agree that they would not be happy with it. Most (99%) of my posts are quite civil. 95% of my posts are directly helping people find solutions. But when it comes to people like Paul, who says he is not a bully, damn rights I am going to make an issue of with him. He pissed me off and the language is making it bloody clear to any who see it how much. I know for certain most of his posts are spam, and little else, just from simply observing him this past year.

10/10!!

This forum SHOULD NOT be a sounding board for personal differences, but we SHOULD make sure, as far as possible, that we try to provide technical information to at least PARTIALLY able individuals

There's a BIG difference between providing information and ideas, including small excerpts from manuals, in a form that tech's can interpret and apply using their own training and experience (EVEN if it may be relevant to another manufacturers product;)) and SELLING whole manuals which are the interlectual property of the manufacturer to individuals who may, or may not, have ANY training on the product concerned OR knowledge of copiers (Washing machines? Toasters?) in general.

P.S..
Some seem to have a problem with Stirton.M and his being an "Agent of K.M"

He did not state he works for them (Althought he may)

As a manufacturer trained tech working for a DEALER suppling both K.M and Ricoh I consider myself as an indirect "Agent" for the products of both companies and hope that the vast majority of those reading these posts are in the same situation!

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