Which was the BEST copier ever?

[mrwho]

The Konica Minolta Bizhub Pro 920 & 950 -
based on the original Konica 7075

Gotta agree with Langelot. I don't know much outside of Konica machines, but ever since the 7075 came out, I fell in love with it and its successors (7085 and 920).

[ibs boy]

This box might predate some techs but the Sharp SF8100 ran PM to PM and had very few problems. That is why Sharp pulled off the market after a couple of years. Also the Sharp SF7300/7350 ran like a champ. Very few problems until they got old ( 10 to 12 years).

[bvaldir]

My claps for new generations of MFP's Kyocera Mita. But Samsung deserves my claps too. :D

[vincent64]

This box might predate some techs but the Sharp SF8100 ran PM to PM and had very few problems. That is why Sharp pulled off the market after a couple of years. Also the Sharp SF7300/7350 ran like a champ. Very few problems until they got old ( 10 to 12 years).
I can recall working on a couple of the old SF8100's when I first started in the business 10 years ago, the old SF7300's were some great machines, so were the SF 7320/7370's they had auto dv cal in them, no more trying to tweak that little pot.
The AR336/405's were a good machine too, when they upgraded to the 7 series, 337, 407, 507's they did something wrong, started to see problems more and more.
Although you could push the PM supplies a long time :)

[bsm2]

royal 115 or ubix 115 as we got them 20,000 pm
work horse. Also Kyocera falcon series 1,2,3 kick ass
machines

[leroyal]

royal 115 or ubix 115 as we got them 20,000 pm
work horse. Also Kyocera falcon series 1,2,3 kick ass
machines

X2...ubix translated means good copy

[Oztech]

Legacy Minolta 450z. Totally service friendly and a work horse to boot!
Have to agree, 450z's were one of the first machines I ever worked on and other than the PWB-C cooking cos it was under the fuser!, they were pretty much bombproof. We used to clean the drums with BRASSO and they would last forever!

[pacman]

I thought the Panasonic 7728-7750 series analog series machines were pretty good. They also had a Panasonic 7160 (which I think was a Minolta 6000) for a good, higher-volume, analog box.


As long as you serviced the old Panasonic Medallion series up to specs, they were great machines. We saw some 7728's out in the field with between a million and 2 million copies.

The Panasonic color boxes (c213's and up) are great machines. We rarely have service calls on them. They just run.

Believe it or not (and time will tell if this is true or not) but the Samsung 8380's, the 6555 and the 6345's do the same thing....they just run. Rarely any issues on them after you get all the firmware stuff worked out. I honestly think they'll be a force to reckon with once the engineering on them gets down pat.





Only if you consider Steven Hawking to be the greatest breakdancer.


This quote REEKS of awesomeness.

[klurejr]

Who made that new box for Sharp, or is it Sharp made, sure sounds like something from Toshiba, like the old AR 651 and 810 line.


Ground up fresh design from Sharp. They are great machines, especially considering they are first generation of that spec product.

[Scorotron Wizard]

Older machines. Minolta EP 450z .... Magic, O ring to drive the counter rotating magnets inside the mag roller ... Genius. And 1 screw to remove the upper fuser, no screws to remove the lower, just don't drop the spring onto the power supply board. Never ever replaced the light blue coloured feed tyres they never wore out.
Newer machines. Kyocera Mita 5050 bullet proof, went to one machine recently only reason I was there was it said time for maintainence, this was the first call since install, I'm an engineer if all the machines get this good I'll have no job. Good job customers screw up all the time.
PS Don't upgrade firmware on the Minolta Bizhub m/c's unless really nessicary, just spent 2 whole days and £1100 on a main board ($2000) really stressful and the machine was working before I tried it (what was I thinking).

[bobbym2754]

X2, before 4035 came to be.......Royal 115
Royal 115... Undisputed Best First Bond Copier Ever Made!!!.....

[glewisme]

I've got to hand it to Sharp. The ARM350/355//450/455 as well as the ARM550 series are great,and the newer MX versions are even better. The Minolta EP4000/ 5000's are great too.As well as the DI520/620. We once had a Hospital ER with and ARM550 and MXM620 that got over 3 million copies in a yr without any real issues

[Keoke]

The Canon IR5000 IR2200/3300 were the most reliable,

[KEVIN900]

I loved the KonicaMinolta di470. Tighten the sorter set pin, Clean the thermistors/claws. 10 minutes of Doc Feeder service, wipe down and gone.

[rtrj]

BizHub 2510 (with pf clutch update) I've see them easily pass 2 mil which is real good for a 25 cpm
machine. I also like the Bh C550 We replaced a lot of Konica 7155/65 and Bh 5510 with them and they are
low maint. I've worked on copiers since the 70's (Sharp SF 721, Royal 115)

[ToshibaTech]

There is one small old amazing machine :)
Toshiba series of 1340-1370. Simplicity and durability.
I love these machines. :)

Yeah these things are pretty amazing. A machine you haven't been on in 2 or 3 years and is spotless inside. Yuuup oh and it's an analog. For the size machine they are they run like crazy.

The new 6530c series seem to be built like tanks thus far also. 4520c not far behind.

[kingpd@businessprints.net]

There are a lot of great machines out now but my vote goes to the Canon IR550/600 series.

I have to agree. They were built like tanks, drums get about 5 million images, super cheap to operate, I'm sure there's better grayscale quality machines out there but as far as the quality of the black printing, it's perfect/phenomenal. We have actually ran duplexed printing for 8, yes eight straight hours before on that model with no jams, only stopping to refill all the paper drawers...simply amazing. I believe the IR 105 uses the same frame and internals.

I believe they were one of the last that Canon made using heavy solid medal before opting for cheaper lighter plastics.

[montana]

hi...the minolta EP1054-1085 for the analogue range....with digital the konica minolta bizhub 200-250

[Screw Turner]

cmb wrote:


what does my avatar have to do with john kerry? Nothing. What my avatar symbolizes is my opinion that george bush is a fucking dope. But like most wannabe republicans, you can\'t come to any opinion about anything except \"bill clinton bla bla bla...\" or \"john kerry bla bla bla...\" get over it! And start worrying about what these neo-con dip-shits are doing to this counrty.

I will never understand how people who work for a living (copier techs and small business owners) keep voting for these people against their own best interest.

Ps. Want to get a good laugh, do a google on \"miserable failure\" look who\'s #1.

Post edited by: 10871087, at: 2005/04/07 22:35

DO YOU FEEL THE SAME WAY NOW, NOW THAT WE ARE ALL GOING BROKE?
(JUST WONDERING) :confused:

I'm not looking for a fight, a simple yes or no will do...

[YouthAttack]

konica minolta bizhub pro 920 :cool:
customers crank them and all you gotta do is pm kits and feed rollers and they run forever

[kingpd@businessprints.net]

Sbarro....I am in agreement with the Toshiba 1340/1370 pick (desktop class)

I am AMAZED...Just how well engineered and designed this tiny, 55 pound, (13 copies per minute), ANALOG series(Toshiba1340/1350/1360/1370) runs. "Terminator" is the word that best describes this little beast. And the Toshiba 2060/2080 is the 20/28 CPM faster version and a bigger beast. I sold these brand new out of a crate...I became the Maytag man waiting for them to break. And 10+ years later, im still waiting for a service call.
Me: "Hi, how can I help You" ....
my customer:" Hi Joe, Im calling about our Toshiba (1340/1350/1360/1370/2060/2080 ..pick one)"
Me: "AH.HAA!!! You need service right??
My customer: " No, we just added our last TONER... Can you drop off a case when you have time.....No rush"
Me to myselfl:"DOH!!"
Now the question is HOW do you go from making outstanding machines .... and follow that up with the E studio series that is an insult to the word shit?


I remember when I was in school working part time and our store had one in the office. It was a very nice machine. What was the differences between 1340/1350/1360/1370? Just a newer version?

[fallguy]

The best copier I think is the Canon iR7095

[slybot]

ok you will all hate me probably or go WTF? one of the best m/c i have come across was the minolta ep6000. a total POS brand new but the more it wore out the more reliable it became. i dont know, go figure. didnt say it was the best, but surprised me

[nilak]

ok you will all hate me probably or go WTF? one of the best m/c i have come across was the minolta ep6000. a total POS brand new but the more it wore out the more reliable it became. i dont know, go figure. didnt say it was the best, but surprised me

minolta 6001 with non genuine toner,drum and custom made spacers could have ran as low as 0.11-0.13c/copy and very low service call rate. maybe not the best but still a very tough one.

[smcat38]

I have to agree with the Canon iR3300 series. A fraction of the issues we have had with the iRC3220.

[dvl327]

Canon IR600's, simply the best I've encountered. The Ricoh AF2027 was a neat little copier. Simply design, no frills.

[kingpd@businessprints.net]

I too like the IR600.


Canon IR600's, simply the best I've encountered. The Ricoh AF2027 was a neat little copier. Simply design, no frills.

[DAG COPIERS & COMPUTERS]

Hi Guyz..! This is an OLD THREAD started in 2005) rearing its ugly head again ? Hope we're not running out of ideas. I have scanned through the thread and everyone seems to favor a particular brand or model based on his experience with the machine. But I seem not to notice ONE important thing, and that is : WHAT PARAMETER(S) are being used to rate or "judge" the performance of these machines? Engine speed, ability to meet performance specification, system stability, availability of parts, brand name, or what?

[kingpd@businessprints.net]

That's a good question DAG. I kind of pick the models I had luck with and secluded the ones that have made my life miserable, even though a good copier can do that too.

[b003ace]

Hi Guyz..! This is an OLD THREAD started in 2005) rearing its ugly head again ? Hope we're not running out of ideas. I have scanned through the thread and everyone seems to favor a particular brand or model based on his experience with the machine. But I seem not to notice ONE important thing, and that is : WHAT PARAMETER(S) are being used to rate or "judge" the performance of these machines? Engine speed, ability to meet performance specification, system stability, availability of parts, brand name, or what?

I based my choice on which model I had to service the least, combined with which model made servicing easiest, i.e. the maximum number of prints between calls for the amount of repair / maintenance time required. I think many of the boxes that have been listed here are most likely very durable, reliable machines. Many I have no experience with. What amazes me is how few newer models make it into this thread, even as it continues to be bumped up.

[kingpd@businessprints.net]

It seems to me most of the machines are going through a cycle of place them, use for a typical lease term then destroy them. A sort of throw-em away when done philosophy.

[montana]

hi... i vote for konica 7040-7045

[ddude]

It's been mentioned quite a few times, and rightfully so--- The ROYAL 115 has to be the best in the history of machines through the ages.....

strong.

[cccjjn]

Been in the business for over 20 years and I'd have to say the Sharp 8100 was the alltime best copier. Nothing but steel inside these things. So long as you did drum, developer, corona wires and cleaning rollers every 40k they would run forever. We still had a number of them in the field running perfectly when Sharp pulled the plug on the parts supply for them.

[luis8832]

i must agree the kyocera 3035, 4035, 5035. those units don't die!

[jarwil]

don't know if it has been mentioned but the canon ir2200 series still is pretty bulletproof. Regular drum changes and can do double life easy

[slybot]

the canon np10/1215's were phenomanol machines. (built like brick shithouses) they were fantastic

[alanroper]

Yeah these things are pretty amazing. A machine you haven't been on in 2 or 3 years and is spotless inside. Yuuup oh and it's an analog. For the size machine they are they run like crazy.

The new 6530c series seem to be built like tanks thus far also. 4520c not far behind.
Worked on the old 1360/70 machines a lot and they were great...but talking this century, the 6530c and 4520c series are simply incredible. Tougher that a Hilux\Range Rover depending what part of the world your from. We have actually had them dropped off fork lifts (by accident) and put back into service hours later.
Seems odd to be selling full colour machines in favour of black and white ones because they are more reliable. I really think these machines will live forever...

[kingpd@businessprints.net]

I've seen the Toshiba 6530c machines. Aren't they made by Kyocera Mita?

[procopy]

Have one with 10 mil prints and still run. Only one problem - developer leaking. I change original shaft sealing with sealing from Aficio 2105 and never, ever have problem wiht developer leaking

[aodtech]

We have all voted for the worst copier ever, why dont we switch it up with:

What was the BEST COPIER EVER MADE?


I cast my vote for the Kyocera 2530, 3530, 4040, 3035, and 4035. You can\'t kill them things. And, the print systems actually work!

After more than 6 years of this thread continuting, this statement remains very accurate. Even with the 3050/4050/5050 and 420/520 series. Although I must point out a typo. The 4040 best machine ever, really? One of the first Mita digital boxes? :P

[Dedy.P]

I vote for iR5000/6000 series

[MAJSTOR]

Canon np 1550 lol

[Copier Whisperer]

The best analog copier, Mita DC8585.
The best Digital copier, Kyocera 3045,4035,5035
The best production copier, KonicaMilolta Pro920.

[developer dumper]

Canon Ir2200/3300 still plenty out there that work great

[xcopy]

I have workrd on them and think you are way of the mark. The best copier is the Xerox 6180 or 6135 docutech. You tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoaYmakN5Cc.
Have a look. The machine has been in production for 18 years.
Cheers

[kingpd@businessprints.net]

I have to agree with you on that one. Those older docutechs were beasts.


I have workrd on them and think you are way of the mark. The best copier is the Xerox 6180 or 6135 docutech. You tube YouTube - ‪Xerox Docutech 6135 Finishing Unit‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoaYmakN5Cc).
Have a look. The machine has been in production for 18 years.
Cheers

[Jules Winfield]

After more than 6 years of this thread continuting, this statement remains very accurate. Even with the 3050/4050/5050 and 420/520 series. Although I must point out a typo. The 4040 best machine ever, really? One of the first Mita digital boxes? :P

4040 with the print system G? The copier by itself was ok, but the print system G was the worst print system ever made.

[nmfaxman]

The most trouble free box I have dealt with is the Ricoh 1027/2027.
Turn off the process unit PM display and run it till it dies.
Only box I will use generic toner with no problem.

[Dennison Tech]

Royal RBC1
Fuser was 2 heated plates between which the copies were carried on belts made of springs. The springs would occasionally break and cascade into each other, forming a wonderful tangle. The customer was supplied with 15' long steel tongs for burnt paper removal. It had 2 zinc oxide based photoconductor sheets, bunny brush and vacuum for waste toner which collected in a box.