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Dennison Tech
07-08-2011, 09:25 PM
Royal RBC1
Fuser was 2 heated plates between which the copies were carried on belts made of springs. The springs would occasionally break and cascade into each other, forming a wonderful tangle. The customer was supplied with 15' long steel tongs for burnt paper removal. It had 2 zinc oxide based photoconductor sheets, bunny brush and vacuum for waste toner which collected in a box.

carlsoncopycenter
07-28-2011, 01:26 AM
for me its konica 7033,7040,7045

excanonguy
08-10-2011, 07:57 PM
I vote for iR5000/6000 series

I really liked working on these they were sso easy after a stressfull CLC1000 service call ! In analog machines the old NP6650 was hard to beat, also the desktop np 1010-1020 was a great little workhorse.

Ianizer
08-11-2011, 02:11 AM
We have all voted for the worst copier ever, why dont we switch it up with:

What was the BEST COPIER EVER MADE?


I cast my vote for the Kyocera 2530, 3530, 4040, 3035, and 4035. You can\'t kill them things. And, the print systems actually work!

C'mon, 10871087, you know Service is the real product.

That said,

For Quality
Ricoh's 5006 was awesome.
Can't beat it for copy color matching.
Superior dithering patterns.
I believe you could even connect it with an XJ Fiery and the right interface kit.
Had several in print shops, right next to brand new Gestetner 213s and customers prefered the 5006 output.

For Volume
7050. The Colonel, Konica's premier digital B&W. Fine first effort for a mid-high volume engine. We still have a few in the field.
In the color world, I still like 8050 and C500. With proper service and customer training, a beast in the office environment.
Still on that platform, C6500 serves well.

-I

its_just_a_copier
08-12-2011, 01:17 AM
Canon IRC5185 .

Of course, be ready with your checkbook but thats not my problem hahahah

Very easy to work on, excellent color quality and very little 'NFI' issues.

ragajungle
08-12-2011, 02:41 AM
Canon IRC5185 .

Of course, be ready with your checkbook but thats not my problem hahahah

Very easy to work on, excellent color quality and very little 'NFI' issues.
yah, the twin belt fuser on this machine is the Achilles heal tho.... easiest machine in history otherwise.

ragajungle
08-12-2011, 02:42 AM
My vote is the Ricoh (Savin)MP5500 Aside from a quirky tandem tray (usually caused by moronic end users) this thing is bullet proof.

20YRSEXP
08-17-2011, 06:39 PM
I see the Canon 9800 in here a couple of times, but lets face it the 9800 is a glorified 8530 with a big empty box on the side that held a few reams of paper. The 8530 is pretty much a fast 6650, now the NP6650, that was a machine that ran like crazy. As far a small machines the Mita 111 did the job better than most with fewer problems, just the ocassional cleaning. But after that Mita kinda stuck their foot up their rear and took what didn't work from the last model and added it to the next gen until they had a machine that needed constant cleaning, always jammed and had bad CQ. How about a Mita 1205 with a document feeder? LOL what a waste and hope it never needed work done on it.

habik
08-19-2011, 12:18 AM
for BW
KM 5035,4035,3035, and 6330 (IF IT STAYED IN ONE PLACE)

we had 4x 6030(3.7mil) and 8030 (above 4mil) they are great if ONE person is copying on it..with proper training.

from Color..Bizhub all the way

Wild Bill
08-19-2011, 12:43 AM
My vote is the Copystar CS-1810

igi
08-19-2011, 12:12 PM
They werr great till the little brake, broke for the platten and the top would over run and could fly off the machine. For a small machine though nothing beat the toshiba 3301, another machine that worked great and made you big dollars was the Sharp 8100 and 8260, they just kept going and going and going............. Good stuff

100% agree sf -8100 legend:cool:

eric_w22002
08-21-2011, 12:25 PM
I agree, they were very reliable. They also were probably the heaviest desktop copier on the planet.

Mita 900D VS Canon NP-120

Laserbeam
09-09-2011, 11:50 PM
u-bix 100 :)

cleardata
10-31-2011, 02:23 PM
it looks like canon and kyocera mita has lots of votes.
any more votes for ricoh aficio's?

Herrmann
10-31-2011, 09:20 PM
any more votes for ricoh aficio's?
The thread for the worst copiers ever is a few klicks further :P

AirborneGecko
11-09-2011, 06:30 PM
Pro C900?...sarcasim

mp161...for a small machine
af1022 / af1027...bullet proof

anyone old enough to remember the VQC III?

Almost forgot the 3M 516...now that thing was incredible. Had one until about 5 years ago when I ran out of that dang sponge roller.

slybot
11-12-2011, 08:38 AM
I see the Canon 9800 in here a couple of times, but lets face it the 9800 is a glorified 8530 with a big empty box on the side that held a few reams of paper. The 8530 is pretty much a fast 6650, now the NP6650, that was a machine that ran like crazy. As far a small machines the Mita 111 did the job better than most with fewer problems, just the ocassional cleaning. But after that Mita kinda stuck their foot up their rear and took what didn't work from the last model and added it to the next gen until they had a machine that needed constant cleaning, always jammed and had bad CQ. How about a Mita 1205 with a document feeder? LOL what a waste and hope it never needed work done on it.

ah... the 8530...........that was a beast; loved the double sorter concept... the mita dc 111 were quite a good machine can't argue that.. the dc1205/1255 were ok but never had one with a doc feeder thank god by the sound of it

kingpd@businessprints.net
11-13-2011, 05:11 PM
was the dc1205 the one that had the moving platen with a doc feeder on it?

msmy
01-17-2012, 04:45 PM
vote for AF1075....AF1027....AF2027....

bauer
01-17-2012, 07:09 PM
I've seen the Toshiba 6530c machines. Aren't they made by Kyocera Mita?





Toshiba e-STUDIO6530cT
Status: Current







Manufacturing Status: New

Console, Full-color copier, MF
Dry, dual component toner








Dataquest Segment:
5


SRP/Street Price:
$32,999/None


Domestic Intro Date:
October 2008


OEM:
Toshiba (China)


Also Sold As:
Copystar CS 750c; Kyocera TASKalfa 750c


Distribution:
Dealers and subsidiaries


Max Monthly Duty Cycle:
275,000 impressions

Mooseface2r
01-17-2012, 09:36 PM
i only know what I know but I'd say from what I've seen id say km3050's and Konica / Olivetti c220 mf220

Zookeyman
03-23-2012, 05:17 PM
[QUOTE=10871087;1693]We have all voted for the worst copier ever, why dont we switch it up with:

What was the BEST COPIER EVER MADE?

My younger brother. He can copy ANYTHING!!!!!! :}

:rolleyes:

Venom
03-25-2012, 02:17 PM
was the dc1205 the one that had the moving platen with a doc feeder on it?

No the DC1705 was the one that had moving platen and doc feeder...the 1205 was stationary top but did offer a doc feed that sucked...the rollers that contacted platen glass were sponge and skew was adjusted by doc feed height...never worked right.

kingpd@businessprints.net
06-15-2012, 08:43 AM
So back around Thanksgiving time, my theoretical brother-in-law had nothing better to do than to "invite" himself over for a very long stay at my house and bug the hell out of me...

...so being very annoyed, bored, and looking for an escape, I retreated to my private office and started going through every single post in this thread...

...I decided to put all the information in a spreadsheet to create an easy to see analysis by brand and by model number of the "best copiers ever." The results of which are attached.

A few ground rules apply: I only used model letters and numbers, so no words like Aficio or Imagerunner. I didn't include any spaces or hyphens to get a more accurate count. If a brand was by itself prior to a merger or bankruptcy, I used that, e.g., Olivetti, and Mita instead of Kyocera Mita; although some pure Mita machines may be in with Kyocera Mita, and so on. Finally for a vote to count it had to be very clear that the poster of the message was in favor of the machine. So if someone said I like the Canon IR3300 and the next poster says me too but didn't mention it by make or model, it still got two votes because it was obvious.


16343

16344


Maybe this next holiday season I'll retreat to my office and do one for the worst copier ever! :p

Copier Whisperer
06-15-2012, 04:00 PM
FYI, VQCIII is a 3M e-stat copier. Awesome spreadsheet work. Thanks!

RE: Theoretical Brother-In-Law: Ask him to help you clean out the garage or attic; or some other mundane task. He will suddenly remember another appointment he needs to attend.

CopierWhisperer.

kingpd@businessprints.net
06-15-2012, 09:48 PM
Thanks for the info.

I was thinking about having him do some painting but I figured knowing my luck he'd probably like it and want to stick around longer...of course at least I wouldn't have to paint then.

My short term solution has typically been to get him a cheap case of beer. Since he's usually slightly intoxicated by the time he arrives; one case and a few hours and eventually he passes out...I don't usually encourage these kinds of things...mind you, but hey.


FYI, VQCIII is a 3M e-stat copier. Awesome spreadsheet work. Thanks!

RE: Theoretical Brother-In-Law: Ask him to help you clean out the garage or attic; or some other mundane task. He will suddenly remember another appointment he needs to attend.

CopierWhisperer.

rjh0566
06-16-2012, 02:00 PM
Pro C900?...sarcasim

mp161...for a small machine
af1022 / af1027...bullet proof

anyone old enough to remember the VQC III?

Almost forgot the 3M 516...now that thing was incredible. Had one until about 5 years ago when I ran out of that dang sponge roller.

same as theToshiba bd-3301 I remember it well, also common was the dirt these inhaled. otherwise they were great.

rjh0566
06-16-2012, 02:08 PM
I know Ricoh,Sharp, and Toshiba,been doing this since 84. The high volume Sharp mxm850-1100 are the best. We have one with 14 mil on one and still runs like a clock, stretch the pms and get over 1 mil out of the drums. The high voume ricoh mp1350 (18 mil.) I like as well but this customer has the gbc option which tapers reliablity quite a bit. any gbc pro's out there I would like to hear from you! Toshiba was hard to beat with their last analog stuff in the 90s.

Shadow1
06-16-2012, 05:54 PM
Toshiba was impossible to beat in the 90's. Worked for Lanier starting in the late 90's and both their 6540 and 6735 were tanks - couldn't kill one. Don't know what that translates to in Toshiba numbers, but we'd still have some running if we could still get parts.

The 73 series machines weren't so good though (again, don't know Toshiba numbers, but last generation before digital) How many fuser drive belts did you spend an hour replacing in the 45ppm?

And then the digital revolution... Toshiba was late to market with digital, they were feature poor, pitiful user interface, and had more than their fair share of problems. We went with Ricoh, which also had their share of problems at first, but the users liked them a lot better.

MobileTechy
10-02-2012, 06:32 PM
We have all voted for the worst copier ever, why dont we switch it up with:

What was the BEST COPIER EVER MADE?


I cast my vote for the Kyocera 2530, 3530, 4040, 3035, and 4035. You can\'t kill them things. And, the print systems actually work!


i vote goes to .. mita, kyocera always tech friendly

blackdog
09-13-2013, 03:08 PM
30 odd years in the trade, haven't found yet..................

xcopy
09-20-2013, 07:05 AM
Yes there are alot of good machines out there. But the best ever was the Xerox Docutech.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fspLKEm2ZWQ Up to 180 pages a minute, in production for 25 years, full glue book binding and 100 page sticher. It was in every large digital print shop. The thing is, if you had never worked on one you wanted to.
It is the MT Everest of copiers/Printers. 1 million pages between services. Customers would do that every month. 12 million a year no worries. 100 million then it was refurbed. Does any other machine do 100 million.
And yes i have worked on Konicas (Ubix) and Oce copy press machines and Canon and Kyocera and Panasonic and Toshiba(how mant time can you get away with manufacturing the same machine) and Xerox.
Thanks

DAG COPIERS & COMPUTERS
09-20-2013, 10:06 AM
Yes there are alot of good machines out there. But the best ever was the Xerox Docutech.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fspLKEm2ZWQ Up to 180 pages a minute, in production for 25 years, full glue book binding and 100 page sticher. It was in every large digital print shop. The thing is, if you had never worked on one you wanted to.
It is the MT Everest of copiers/Printers. 1 million pages between services. Customers would do that every month. 12 million a year no worries. 100 million then it was refurbed. Does any other machine do 100 million.
And yes i have worked on Konicas (Ubix) and Oce copy press machines and Canon and Kyocera and Panasonic and Toshiba(how mant time can you get away with manufacturing the same machine) and Xerox.
Thanks

Eeh! That must be 'The Mother of all copiers'.

kingpd@businessprints.net
09-20-2013, 01:17 PM
The nice thing too is that now or soon the time limit on the docutech patents should expire, so then it becomes public domain and anyone can build them. If I'm still alive in a few years...maybe I'll do that...

Patent office:

How long does patent protection last? For applications filed on or after June 8, 1995, utility and plant patents are granted for a term which begins with the date of the grant and usually ends 20 years from the date you first applied for the patent subject to the payment of appropriate maintenance fees for a utility patent. There are no maintenance fees for plant patents . Design patents last 14 years from the date you are granted the patent. No maintenance fees (http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/doc/general/mainten.htm) are required for design patents.
Note: Patents in force on June 8, 1995 and patents issued thereafter on applications filed prior to June 8, 1995 automatically have a term that is the greater of the twenty year term discussed above or seventeen years from the patent grant.

Source: Patents (http://www.uspto.gov/inventors/patents.jsp#heading-5)




Yes there are alot of good machines out there. But the best ever was the Xerox Docutech.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fspLKEm2ZWQ Up to 180 pages a minute, in production for 25 years, full glue book binding and 100 page sticher. It was in every large digital print shop. The thing is, if you had never worked on one you wanted to.
It is the MT Everest of copiers/Printers. 1 million pages between services. Customers would do that every month. 12 million a year no worries. 100 million then it was refurbed. Does any other machine do 100 million.
And yes i have worked on Konicas (Ubix) and Oce copy press machines and Canon and Kyocera and Panasonic and Toshiba(how mant time can you get away with manufacturing the same machine) and Xerox.
Thanks

CraigWells
11-04-2013, 06:06 PM
Haven't heard anything about the Sharp SD-2260. Big, Analog, heavy, (but rolls easy)
Love the "air-feed". Wish they had made a digital version.

redskin
02-03-2015, 07:01 PM
Xerox WorkCentre 133, Xerox 4110

allan
02-03-2015, 07:59 PM
Konica Minolta B1250, the only machine that has given me more than 2.5M copies without a SC code and still counting. Touch wood.

NeoMatrix
02-03-2015, 09:14 PM
The one that keeps working!......

allan
02-03-2015, 09:22 PM
The one that keeps working!......

Hehe

hallux13
03-27-2015, 06:21 AM
That family of Kyocera are really great machines, I still have a fleet of them running well (it doesn't hurt that everthing is unit replaceable.

I've started working on Sharp's in the last 6 years and the Hercules is by far my favourite box. It's huge but easy to work on and can easly go 2 to 3 hundred K between calls if properly maintained.


Cheers!

allan
03-27-2015, 06:43 AM
That family of Kyocera are really great machines, I still have a fleet of them running well (it doesn't hurt that everthing is unit replaceable.

I've started working on Sharp's in the last 6 years and the Hercules is by far my favourite box. It's huge but easy to work on and can easly go 2 to 3 hundred K between calls if properly maintained.


Cheers!


BH B1250 can do 1M+ between Calls. Generally i go and clean them for inspection reasons at about 400K.

allan
09-11-2015, 07:28 PM
CMB wrote:


Is that the Ricoh 105 cpm machine?

Don't you just love a AF 2105. Heavy days.

I again vote Konica Minolta B1250. I have never work on a machine that would run for mare than 1.6M and the only thing to be replaced out of need was the web.

Machine runs up to 5.6M in peace. Replacing PM parts selectively.

Even Oce would eat this light looking/feeling machines dust.

Rich
09-27-2019, 09:45 PM
Best copier ever made? The Kyocera Falcon range was good- you could detonate a ton of semtex in one of those and they'd still work. The best ever though has to be a toss up between the Ricoh FT6645 range ( the basic engine is still going 30 years later as the Martini) and the Phoenix range ( FT5135 etc.) So easy to work on from an engineering point of view and so reliable.

bsm2
09-27-2019, 10:06 PM
Royal 115 :cool::cool:

15 min per page
moving top
No feeder No sorter one cassette
The good old days
Maintenance every 20,000

Rich
09-27-2019, 10:16 PM
The Panasonic FP1300 was similar. Sliding flatten, clamshell, drive chains, A4R or B4 only, no zoom. 1 control PCB, 1 AC board & 1 DC board. And relays you could tap with a screwdriver to get them working. HEAVEN!

Dennison Tech
09-27-2019, 10:34 PM
Like this?
https://www.copytechnet.com/forums/blob:https://www.copytechnet.com/123233fa-3022-4ec0-a5c6-f342bcedbb7d

Dennison Tech
09-27-2019, 10:35 PM
Sorry. I thought I was posting a photo. Drat!

srvctec
10-25-2019, 04:28 PM
Don't think I ever posted in this thread.

I think the Minolta EP450Z was one of the best all-time, especially at the time it was still in the field. Of course compared to now, maybe not so much.

wingit
10-26-2019, 11:58 PM
I will comment on lower speed copiers 25 per minute, Before Most Techs on this site never worked on.

Minolta EP 450z good in the day, 1985 I believe, exit roller bushing problem, Fuser bearings lockup, causing bushing in vacuum belts bushing to hallow out. Orange drum, Cadmium Sulfide (polish Drum). Last a long time, thick pc blade. Chain driven, replacing pwb-c due some chip problem like the EP410Z. Big light blue roller in upper feed tray accommodates letter/legal. Bottom tray 11x17 letter crosswise. Starter/developer lasts a longer time. Minolta made a lot of $ on contracts with this one , unlike the 550z/650z. Any info on Polishing Selenium with Brasso problems from polishing that Drum with anyone out there?
ADF with a switch problem I remember. Good copier in the day.

THE KING of copiers (25 per minute) goes to Canon ir3025, This one is what most Canon techs at least may have worked on.All updates done from the previous, ir 3570, I know this was 35per minute . then ir 3225,not a good model, Back to the king of 25 per minute MFP Fusers go 3 life time . OEM drum go 80k plus. Using letter portrait. Sure remove black pads for jamming, upgrade right side door. Run paper letter r in humidity conditions for 2 sided, One drawback Black & white scanner. LONG LIVE COPYTECHNET.
My 2 CENTS.

wingit
10-27-2019, 12:35 AM
Donít laugh,
But i have a Minolta EP 4000 on a rental in the same place for the about 16 or so years, My parts are down to 1 blade and charge wires and couple fans, and ufr gears, Volume now is less than 200 a month. So I have to add this model, over 1.1mil on it.
And still have 2 Canon ir 2200, still working, I have no parts but its on a charge bases. Easy to work on.Drum,feed roller, ufr sleeve.

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