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blackcat4866
10-27-2013, 12:49 AM
Can any of you dedicated Konica Minota techs list the model numbers that you can match up with Series Names? I didn't get much formal Konica Minolta training. =^..^=

EarthKmTech
10-27-2013, 10:01 AM
I work for KM and about the only time I've ever needed to answer that question is in an assessment.

In the real world I'm still yet to experience a single example of when that knowledge was remotely necessary and I've been doing this for 15 years.

fixthecopier
10-27-2013, 12:37 PM
It's early Sunday morning and I went to the company Halloween party last night, so I am not sure I understand the Question. Do you mean list all of the EP, and Di's and bizhubs? If that is the case, I know most of them without looking.

JSC
10-27-2013, 03:01 PM
Can any of you dedicated Konica Minota techs list the model numbers that you can match up with Series Names? I didn't get much formal Konica Minolta training. =^..^=

Hi Blackcat4866

do you mean for instance the Zeus range= C224, C284, C364
Minerva range= C654, C754

blackcat4866
10-27-2013, 03:06 PM
It's early Sunday morning and I went to the company Halloween party last night, so I am not sure I understand the Question. Do you mean list all of the EP, and Di's and bizhubs? If that is the case, I know most of them without looking.

For example:
Copystar CS-3050, CS-4050, CS-5050, CS-420i, CS-520i
Kyocera Mita KM-3050, KM-4050, KM-5050, KM-420i, KM-520i


... all are part of the Falcon III family. That is to say they all use the same print engine, and basically the same consumables. This is useful information when you're comparing consumables, yields, simulations, and fixes that apply equally across the family.

So I was trained on the bizhub C220, C280, C360. There may be printers using this same engine. Is there a series name? =^..^=

blackcat4866
10-27-2013, 03:11 PM
Hi Blackcat4866

do you mean for instance the Zeus range= C224, C284, C364
Minerva range= C654, C754

Yes, exactly. More? =^..^=

fixthecopier
10-28-2013, 12:17 PM
Sorry it took me so long, I was gone all day. I don't know if this is what you are looking for , but here goes.

The Di 250/350 are the same except for page speed. They made the iu's different, but taking pliers and snapping off the tap under it that keeps you from swapping them, makes them interchangeable. Toner is the same, the bottles are different because of yields.

The 520/620 machines are the same except for boards.

The Di 200/ 251/ 351 are the same class. IU's can be swapped by snapping off the tap on bottom.

The 7272 and 7255 and 7210 are the predecessors of the 650 with the 7210 being closer to the BZ 600.

As far as mechanical parts there is a lot you can swap between all of those big boxes. The 650 did not have photocells under the transfer to detect the cleaning motion, so the transfers are different by way of the 600 having a flag under the cleaner on transfer.

The 2010, 2510 and 3510 are same class of box, mostly interchangeable except the boards are different . With the exception of boards, these are good parts machines for the Bizhub 200/250/350 machines.

I don't know a lot on color, hope this helps.


Also a lot of the larger older HP color engines are Konica.

emujo
10-28-2013, 01:17 PM
Sorry for the "cut and paste" quality, but here they are. Emujo

JustManuals
10-28-2013, 05:36 PM
Try this site:

Katun Corporation - World Wide Equivalency Lists (http://www.katun.com/catalogue/eqlist/en/copierequiv.html)

HTH.
Paul

Hansoon
10-28-2013, 06:34 PM
Sorry for the "cut and paste" quality, but here they are. Emujo

Im baffled, going with Minolta since the EG machines and EP-1 I never heard of it. Thanks

Hans

habik
10-28-2013, 08:14 PM
Thanks Emujo and Paul for this brilliant info! Appreciate it.

habik
10-28-2013, 08:16 PM
Im baffled, going with Minolta since the EG machines and EP-1 I never heard of it. Thanks

Hans

I am sure you did :) when downloading firmware etc you have it there either on the printed bulletin or within the FW name... I was always wondering what it meant, and now I have clear vision :) Mosel in my case :)

JustManuals
10-28-2013, 09:19 PM
I also have a file on Ricoh machine names to machine codes, if you want it, just email me and I'll send it along.

Paul

blackcat4866
10-28-2013, 10:55 PM
Thanks JSC, emujo, fix, Paul. You're a big help. Thanks. =^..^=

fixthecopier
10-28-2013, 11:02 PM
I also have not seen such list, so my question is, How do these list benefit you in troubleshooting? I understand for cross referencing supplies and parts, but I have other ways to do this, what info will these list give that I should need?

blackcat4866
10-28-2013, 11:09 PM
I also have not seen such list, so my question is, How do these list benefit you in troubleshooting? I understand for cross referencing supplies and parts, but I have other ways to do this, what info will these list give that I should need?

For example:
Copystar CS-3050, CS-4050, CS-5050, CS-420i, CS-520i
Kyocera Mita KM-3050, KM-4050, KM-5050, FS-9530, KM-420i, KM-520i


... all are part of the Falcon III family. That is to say they all use the same print engine, and basically the same consumables. This is useful information when you're comparing consumables, yields, simulations, and fixes that apply equally across the family.

So I was trained on the bizhub C220 (http://rd.bizrate.com/rd?t=http%3A%2F%2Fbesttonershop.com%2Fproduct%2FKO NICA%252DMINOLTA%252DBIZHUB%252DC220%252DTONER%252 DYELLOW%2FA11G231%2F41149%2F%3Futm_source%3Dbizrat e%26utm_medium%3Dfeed%26utm_campaign%3Dfeed&mid=252397&cat_id=444&prod_id=2709355557&pos=0&rf=af1&b_id=17&bamt=a5fedf14fd8fec0d&ppr=108149b8f98ec358&oid=2709355557&country_code=US&atom=10036&bid_type=0&cobrand=1&af_assettype_id=12&af_creative_id=8&af_id=6784), C280, C360. There may be printers using this same engine. Is there a series name? =^..^=

fixthecopier
10-28-2013, 11:42 PM
For example:
Copystar CS-3050, CS-4050, CS-5050, CS-420i, CS-520i
Kyocera Mita KM-3050, KM-4050, KM-5050, FS-9530, KM-420i, KM-520i


... all are part of the Falcon III family. That is to say they all use the same print engine, and basically the same consumables. This is useful information when you're comparing consumables, yields, simulations, and fixes that apply equally across the family.

So I was trained on the bizhub C220 (http://rd.bizrate.com/rd?t=http%3A%2F%2Fbesttonershop.com%2Fproduct%2FKO NICA%252DMINOLTA%252DBIZHUB%252DC220%252DTONER%252 DYELLOW%2FA11G231%2F41149%2F%3Futm_source%3Dbizrat e%26utm_medium%3Dfeed%26utm_campaign%3Dfeed&mid=252397&cat_id=444&prod_id=2709355557&pos=0&rf=af1&b_id=17&bamt=a5fedf14fd8fec0d&ppr=108149b8f98ec358&oid=2709355557&country_code=US&atom=10036&bid_type=0&cobrand=1&af_assettype_id=12&af_creative_id=8&af_id=6784), C280, C360. There may be printers using this same engine. Is there a series name? =^..^=

I see what you are saying, however I was not aware that konica had names for the different groups. I have always just grouped them as bizhubs and di's. I don't do a lot of big color boxes, but as I was stating in my first post, the b/w stuff swaps out easy. If it looks the same it probably is. On Friday I was showing a customer how to swap chips and snap off a plastic tab so he could put the yellow toner from a magiccolor 5670 in a bizhub c30p. Worked just fine. Also I noticed on that list it had some models under different names that I have successfully swapped image related stuff on.

Also if I knew something was not interchangeable, it might stop me from my copier scientific research in finding out WHY I shouldn't have done that. Scientific research is another term for fucking up. For example I can tell you what happens when you put bz500 developer in a bz600.

Hansoon
10-29-2013, 04:44 AM
For example I can tell you what happens when you put bz500 developer in a bz600.

Can't wait to hear the full story......

:D

Hans

blackcat4866
10-30-2013, 12:19 AM
... 500, 600, what's the difference? =^..^=

ZOOTECH
10-30-2013, 12:37 AM
... 500, 600, what's the difference? =^..^=

A hundred. :D

fixthecopier
10-30-2013, 12:39 AM
... 500, 600, what's the difference? =^..^=


Two totally different systems. I had to do a change on both machines that day. i had accidentally carried in the 500 developer to the 600. Normally I probably would have noticed, however there happened to be a rather nice female officer who was curious about what I was doing, and we were having a friendly chat. I should have noticed that the 500 developer is less and the bag is lighter, but she was rather charming. The machine actually calibrated. It was about 4 hours later when I went to do the 500, that I noticed. Another "Oh Shit" moment. I went back to the 600 and expected to see it coded out. It was not. I made a test copy and It was usable, just the background shading all over the page. I put the correct developer in and nobody ever found out, until now when I posted on the world wide web.

habik
10-30-2013, 12:55 AM
For example:
Copystar CS-3050, CS-4050, CS-5050, CS-420i, CS-520i
Kyocera Mita KM-3050, KM-4050, KM-5050, FS-9530, KM-420i, KM-520i


... all are part of the Falcon III family. That is to say they all use the same print engine, and basically the same consumables. This is useful information when you're comparing consumables, yields, simulations, and fixes that apply equally across the family.

So I was trained on the bizhub C220 (http://rd.bizrate.com/rd?t=http%3A%2F%2Fbesttonershop.com%2Fproduct%2FKO NICA%252DMINOLTA%252DBIZHUB%252DC220%252DTONER%252 DYELLOW%2FA11G231%2F41149%2F%3Futm_source%3Dbizrat e%26utm_medium%3Dfeed%26utm_campaign%3Dfeed&mid=252397&cat_id=444&prod_id=2709355557&pos=0&rf=af1&b_id=17&bamt=a5fedf14fd8fec0d&ppr=108149b8f98ec358&oid=2709355557&country_code=US&atom=10036&bid_type=0&cobrand=1&af_assettype_id=12&af_creative_id=8&af_id=6784), C280, C360. There may be printers using this same engine. Is there a series name? =^..^=

Olivetti D-Color MF220,280,360 Develop +220,280,360

blackcat4866
10-30-2013, 01:09 AM
Olivetti D-Color MF220,280,360 Develop +220,280,360

Amur 1, Amur 2, Amur 3, respectively.

CompyTech
10-30-2013, 02:45 AM
So I was trained on the bizhub C220 (http://rd.bizrate.com/rd?t=http%3A%2F%2Fbesttonershop.com%2Fproduct%2FKO NICA%252DMINOLTA%252DBIZHUB%252DC220%252DTONER%252 DYELLOW%2FA11G231%2F41149%2F%3Futm_source%3Dbizrat e%26utm_medium%3Dfeed%26utm_campaign%3Dfeed&mid=252397&cat_id=444&prod_id=2709355557&pos=0&rf=af1&b_id=17&bamt=a5fedf14fd8fec0d&ppr=108149b8f98ec358&oid=2709355557&country_code=US&atom=10036&bid_type=0&cobrand=1&af_assettype_id=12&af_creative_id=8&af_id=6784), C280, C360. There may be printers using this same engine. Is there a series name? =^..^=

I was trained on that series too. There were some magi color lines that use the box without the scanner. I am familiar with KMBS mid range color and mono. The printers from KMBS suck unless it's based on the copier engine. I dabble a little on the production (mono) models too.

Like fixthecopier said. A lot of parts are interchangeable. I like that about the Kyocera line too.

If you ever (god forbid) see a muratec 2850. It's a bh 250 with a cannon style doc feed on it.
:)

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