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    Re: EMAIL SECURITY

    lol....when it's to good to be true it's probably a scam. Or some weird pyramid scheme, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyCarpenter View Post
    I'm not saying you're wrong but I find it hard to believe that a professional IT person knows less about his options than someone who works for a copier company and that's no disrespect to anyone. Why does he need you? You're just a middle man. He can go straight to the source.

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    Attacks are always based on return on investment. If you have data worth paying for, someone will try to get to it...there are way worse threats than ransomattacks. Like I always say no system is 100% guaranteed to work. They are just deterrents.

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    Now you have me curious

    whats worse than ransomware???

    what have you seen...???

    now I am curious???

    Quote Originally Posted by Rewind! View Post
    Attacks are always based on return on investment. If you have data worth paying for, someone will try to get to it...there are way worse threats than ransomattacks. Like I always say no system is 100% guaranteed to work. They are just deterrents.

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    you can do email filtering with

    A) ubuntu server and spam assassin
    How to Block Spam Email with Apache SpamAssassin on Ubuntu 16.04 - LinuxBabe

    B) with exchange server
    use mail cleaner...

    https://www.mailcleaner.org/

    1. Free and open source software or low cost
    2. Sits between firewall and server
    3. Highly configurable
    4. Work as a VM or on the physical hard drive
    5. Work on separate machine from the mail server
    6. No per user cost with the Community Edition

    Basically I think what I am talking about is an email proxy server

    A proxy server is basically another computer which serves as a hub through which internet requests are processed. By connecting through one of these servers, your computer sends your requests to the server which then processes your request and returns what you were wanting.

    now that I know what I am asking

    anti spam smtp proxy server
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rewind! View Post
    There are tons of options, but as another tech said it should be a server side task. Most SMTP servers have this integrated already. Unless you talking complete point to point encryption of message, thats a whole different scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyCarpenter View Post
    I'm not saying you're wrong but I find it hard to believe that a professional IT person knows less about his options than someone who works for a copier company and that's no disrespect to anyone. Why does he need you? You're just a middle man. He can go straight to the source.
    With machine reliability better than ever before and print volumes dropping at a pace the traditional approach must change to be more IT and infrastructure management orientated.
    Whatever

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    Quote Originally Posted by allan View Post
    With machine reliability better than ever before and print volumes dropping at a pace the traditional approach must change to be more IT and infrastructure management orientated.

    Understood. But why would anyone buy this software from a copier person when they can go straight to the website of the manufacturer and buy it? Sounds like a good way to piss a customer off if I tried to play the middle man and make a profit off it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyCarpenter View Post
    Understood. But why would anyone buy this software from a copier person when they can go straight to the website of the manufacturer and buy it? Sounds like a good way to piss a customer off if I tried to play the middle man and make a profit off it.
    Simple...
    they have no idea where to get the software or what they need...
    a good salesperson with a strong background in IT and Copier Support can properly explain to them what they need and get them to pay for it...
    the customer gets the benefit that they have support for the product...
    think of it like this...
    customer is already paying for tech support and hardware support for the copier machine
    now they are paying for tech support for this software and possibly hardware that they bought...

    customer is happy they have product that meets their needs and support...
    sales guy is happy he gets his chunk of change... (sales guy company considered the vendor of the product)
    manufacturer is happy they sold the product and they have a service and support provider that they can send out locally to work on any problems... if something serious comes up they usually send out a systems engineer or have him remote in and work on the issue...

    customers don't have the time or inclination to sit down and chase down every lead... most of them have better things to do... they just want to know they meet the need of the bosses and that the issue is handled... if they bought the software... they would have to support it 100 percent and they don't know it well enough to do that... if they got a service agreement for the software then the service provider is on the hook... 100 percent for the software and most times they just want to know it works...

    the difference is between calling a plumber or trying to fix it yourself...

    we are considered the plumber...

    customer buying it is trying to fix it yourself...

    remember just cause they know Information Technology. ... doesn't mean they know how to fix every Information Technology problem...

    We are considred professionals and specialists in this area... you wouldn't know from our paychecks but thats how we are considred...

    think of it like this based on your argument they should be able to go to office depot and pick up a copy machine but the customer is looking for a certain level of care and trust and thats what we provide as copier people...

    with the software we are providing the same thing... thats what it means to be a I believe the term is managed services provider
    the copier support is a service...
    the software support is a service...
    and if we can get their Network support and to support all the other machines in the office we will get that too...
    then the salesguy will get them to buy new stuff after a year or two to replace all that they have in the office thats old and they will do it afterall... the idea is to have the equipment running not to see the copier guy all the time...
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    Quote Originally Posted by n25an View Post
    Simple...
    they have no idea where to get the software or what they need...
    a good salesperson with a strong background in IT and Copier Support can properly explain to them what they need and get them to pay for it...

    I've been in sales for many years and this is not something anyone wants to do unless you want to risk losing a customer. Think about. I pitch you on this software and then mark up the price so that I can make a profit. Lets say they love the software. You with me so far?

    But months later they venture over to the website of the software company and find out they could have gone straight to the source and bought it cheaper.

    That would leave a bad taste in my mouth. Very bad taste.

    I'd be better off just recommending it to them and telling them to go to the website and buy it themselves. That would help ensure that they would remember me when it was time to buy a new copier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyCarpenter View Post
    Understood. But why would anyone buy this software from a copier person when they can go straight to the website of the manufacturer and buy it? Sounds like a good way to piss a customer off if I tried to play the middle man and make a profit off it.
    People are more comfortable buying from people that they know.

    Most copier salespeople are already talking to IT Managers everyday.

    Specific copier brands like Toshiba, Xerox and HP already have apps available to embed into a copier's LCD panel that makes their product unique and not available as a web purchase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SalesServiceGuy View Post
    People are more comfortable buying from people that they know.

    Most copier salespeople are already talking to IT Managers everyday.

    Specific copier brands like Toshiba, Xerox and HP already have apps available to embed into a copier's LCD panel that makes their product unique and not available as a web purchase.
    Do what you feel is right. I wouldn't do it. I would simply recommend the software and point them to the website so they can buy it from the source. That's just me.

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