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    Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!


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    Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

    Unfortunately in the US we don't have Health Care, we have Health Insurance. Which is why if you live in Canada life expectancy goes up by 3
    years.

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    It goes up 3 years because we've become fat and lazy in America. Not sure what they rank those numbers on, so I won't comment on it.

    The reason they passed Obamacare the way it was is because they wanted it to fail--drawing us ever closer to a single pay system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geo View Post
    "The Democrats never said that Obamacare was perfect and campaigned that it needed to be approved."

    This was Obamas "signature achievement " which he and Democrats were responsible for all aspects of the Bill and Republicans had zero power to change or stop. ... So my simple questions are... Given the Democrats' knew Obamacare had problems , why approve it with known problems, why not solve the problems in the Bill when it was being drafted???.
    they wanted it to fail.. Gruber said so.. this was all in an attempt to go to a truly " One Payer System " that the socialists love sooo much.

    " We have to pass it to see what's in it. " Nancy Pelosi

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    Quote Originally Posted by WildbillC View Post
    Unfortunately in the US we don't have Health Care, we have Health Insurance. Which is why if you live in Canada life expectancy goes up by 3
    years.
    Why is it that everyone confuses Health Care with health coverage. I have had times in my life when I did not have health coverage, but was still able to go to my doctor, the pharmacy, etc and receive health care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theengel View Post
    The reason they passed Obamacare the way it was is because they wanted it to fail--drawing us ever closer to a single pay system.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil B. View Post
    they wanted it to fail.. Gruber said so.. this was all in an attempt to go to a truly " One Payer System " that the socialists love sooo much.

    " We have to pass it to see what's in it. " Nancy Pelosi
    The truth is that they don't actually want single payer, they want single provider. Id est, they want the government running all hospitals, doctor's offices, labs, clinics, urgent care facilities, etc. They want all doctors, nurses, med techs, etc working for the government. In other words, one huge VA type medical system, and we know how well the government runs the VA system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rh112 View Post
    Sorry but insurance companies were abandoning Obamacare like rats leaving a sinking ship long before this
    Cant all be blamed on Republican party

    The Democrats never said that Obamacare was perfect and campaigned that it needed to be approved.

    Insurance companies crave predictability and the Trump Administration via actions and innuendo is trying to make Obamacare collapse.

    In a surprise statement, President Trump said on Tuesday that the Healthcare plan passed by the Republican congress was "too mean". He was implying that the Senate would pass a bill that was more inclusive to average Americans.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/13/u...bill-mean.html
    More useless overly dramatic fluff.
    Then again, as you have acted entirely oblivious to that for so long I guess you wouldn't understand. That's too bad, too. You used to be a good tech.
    Oh well, I look forward to you becoming relevant again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimslob View Post
    Why is it that everyone confuses Health Care with health coverage. I have had times in my life when I did not have health coverage, but was still able to go to my doctor, the pharmacy, etc and receive health care.
    If that is the case, why bother with "health coverage"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SalesServiceGuy View Post

    More useless overly dramatic fluff.
    Then again, as you have acted entirely oblivious to that for so long I guess you wouldn't understand. That's too bad, too. You used to be a good tech.
    Oh well, I look forward to you becoming relevant again.
    More useless, over dramatic personal attack on someone simply posting information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copier addict View Post
    If that is the case, why bother with "health coverage"?
    Many years ago I actually had health insurance. I paid for it. The coverage was for emergency or catastrophic illness and injury. I paid for routine doctor visits and any prescriptions. There were actually family doctor offices that allowed for no-appointment visits for minor injury treatment and other non-serious illness. Treat a sprain, cold or even stitches for a cut as long as there wasn't any serious tissue damage. If under the policy back then you ended up with (just for example) a case of food poisoning and needed the emergency room treatment then you paid a deductable and everything else was covered. That share of cost you paid was 1,000.00 dollars and 10 percent until you paid out 1,500 per year. Then things started getting goofy. Every visit to your doctor had to have a maximum co-pay amount via regulations. Put in place by do-gooder activists that demanded insurance cover everything imaginable. Deductable amounts went way up and even worse so did the cost of going to the doctor. Main reason my current doctors have to charge more is there are over one thousand treatment categories that are listed in the billing process. A requirement put into place by government regulations and medicare/medicaid coverages.

    Then we get to the costs for lab work. I actually had the cost go down by losing my insurance coverage. The lab that does my blood work has a cash payment option that is less than 30 percent of the cost when using insurance. Why you may ask? The company has two full time employees who only job is justify the reasoning behind the blood tests they are performing at the request of the doctor!

    Now for the real stupid nonsense that came out with obamacare, Back before it was enacted I did not pay for coverage of, elective plastic surgery, mandatory diagnostic testing for conditions deemed essential by regulators(read colonoscopies), or and this is a good one, treatment for alcoholism, or substance abuse. After obamacare i was required to pay for gender reassignment surgery coverage, pregnancy and childbirth coverage, the really expensive diagnostics coverage(even if I did not have a family history of the illness) So why in the heck should I as a sixty year old single male be required to pay for coverage I would never need? I know I would never use gender reassignment surgery, never worry about childbirth or even the often quoted need for a colonoscopy? Yes I had insurance before obamacare went into effect. It was through work and work paid sixty percent as part of the employee benefits. The month before obamacare went into effect my cost went from 250.00 per month to over 1,300 per month with all the required coverage I never needed before then.

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    Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

    Quote Originally Posted by copier addict View Post
    If that is the case, why bother with "health coverage"?
    Protection against major illness and injuries i.e. hospitalization.

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