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    It's Hilarious as the RIGHT WING CAN'T Handle the Truth as their Conspiracy Theories fall apart with the FACTS any Adult in for President 2020

    Another Inquiry Doesn’t Back Up Trump’s Charges. So, on to the Next.
    By the time the Justice Department inspector general’s report was released, the president and his supporters had moved on in their effort to convince Americans of the enemies arrayed against him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsm2 View Post
    Trump, Russia and Ukraine: Five presidential conspiracy theories debunked
    WASHINGTON – From his earliest days in the White House, President Donald Trump has unleashed a stream of unsupported assertions aimed at undermining one concrete fact: the Russian government conducted a sophisticated influence operation to sway the outcome of the 2016 U.S. presidential election in Trump's favor.


    Special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation was a "witch hunt" that resulted in his "complete and total exoneration,” Trump has said. The "deep state" is out to get him. His predecessor, Barack Obama, tapped his phones, and the FBI "spied" on his campaign.


    Trump's claims about Ukraine, which have touched off the current impeachment inquiry, can also be traced directly to Russia's 2016 election interference, namely Trump's efforts to finger another culprit – Ukraine – even though his own advisers had warned him that Ukraine played no such role.


    "It's not only a conspiracy theory, it is completely debunked," Tom Bossert, Trump's former homeland security and counterterrorism adviser, told ABC News in September of the Ukraine meddling allegation.


    Indeed, U.S. intelligence officials concluded nearly three years ago that Russian President Vladimir Putin was culpable.


    "Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election," states a January 2017 report from the Director of National Intelligence. "Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump."


    President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin in Osaka, Japan, on June 28, 2019.
    Now, Washington is bracing for a new round of allegations and spin on Monday, when the Department of Justice's internal watchdog is scheduled to release a much anticipated report on the origins of the Russia investigation.


    Here's a guide to the facts -- and the fictions -- behind some of Trump's Russia-Ukraine assertions now in the news:


    Trump's 'spying' theory
    Trump has repeatedly accused the FBI of spying on his 2016 presidential campaign. “My Campaign for President was conclusively spied on,” he tweeted in May of this year. “… this was TREASON!”


    "They were spying on my campaign," Trump told Fox & Friends in a Nov. 22 interview. "I think this goes to the highest level. I hate to say it, I think it’s a disgrace. They thought I was going to win and they said, 'How can we stop him?'"


    What we know
    There is no evidence that the FBI spied on Trump’s campaign. The Department of Justice’s internal watchdog, Michael Horowitz, is expected to confirm that the FBI did not place any informants inside the campaign or place any wiretaps on Trump’s phones.


    Donald Trump, Russia and Ukraine: Five conspiracy theories debunked



    WOW!! You are REALLY LOST!! Stop watching CNN!!! - First off, its a known #FACT that Ukraine tried to manipulate our 2016 elections. That's not in dispute by either side! Perhaps you need to stop reading the wrong news scripts.

    Secondly, the truth is out, the FBI "DID" spy on the campaign, it's already been said in about 5 different house hearings by the people who actually did it. Did you not hear Nadler last week when he said they have all of Trump's phone calls to Giuliani and have been keeping them for years!?? Did you not hear him openly say that they have other's too, but they're not going to release the name right now?

    Comey, during his hearing admitted they "surveilled" the trump campaign and early presidency! LOL Brenin also admitted the CIA and NSA had similar wire taps and ears, and were allowed to do so because of the Steele Dossier... LOL

    I think you guys need to stop just letting anyone put garbage noise in your ears and actually take the time to go to YouTube and watch the HISTORICAL events that are unfolding that will definitely change the entire landscape of politics from this day forward! And, could very well change our country's entire landscape too! Especially if some of you that are very lazy and not willing to care enough about your freedoms, and don't start taking your role and power as "We The People" seriously and elect the right people in office!

    You'll give away your "Freedoms" for "Free", after those who gave their "Lives" so you could have them... Our current generations living through this event will go down as worse citizens than the Fat Romans who ignorantly gave up their glorious culture and freedoms as well. Tis sad when you really look at the incredible LACK of knowledge today's Americans have about their own government and what's going on right beneath their nose!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisban35 View Post
    WOW!! You are REALLY LOST!! Stop watching CNN!!! - First off, its a known #FACT that Ukraine tried to manipulate our 2016 elections. That's not in dispute by either side! Perhaps you need to stop reading the wrong news scripts.

    Secondly, the truth is out, the FBI "DID" spy on the campaign, it's already been said in about 5 different house hearings by the people who actually did it. Did you not hear Nadler last week when he said they have all of Trump's phone calls to Giuliani and have been keeping them for years!?? Did you not hear him openly say that they have other's too, but they're not going to release the name right now?

    Comey, during his hearing admitted they "surveilled" the trump campaign and early presidency! LOL Brenin also admitted the CIA and NSA had similar wire taps and ears, and were allowed to do so because of the Steele Dossier... LOL

    I think you guys need to stop just letting anyone put garbage noise in your ears and actually take the time to go to YouTube and watch the HISTORICAL events that are unfolding that will definitely change the entire landscape of politics from this day forward! And, could very well change our country's entire landscape too! Especially if some of you that are very lazy and not willing to care enough about your freedoms, and don't start taking your role and power as "We The People" seriously and elect the right people in office!




    You'll give away your "Freedoms" for "Free", after those who gave their "Lives" so you could have them... Our current generations living through this event will go down as worse citizens than the Fat Romans who ignorantly gave up their glorious culture and freedoms as well. Tis sad when you really look at the incredible LACK of knowledge today's Americans have about their own government and what's going on right beneath their nose!

    Please adjust you Tin Foil Hat This was ALL Just Debunked!

    The notion that Ukraine meddled in the U.S. election is false. While some individual Ukrainian officials expressed support for Clinton and concern about Trump – because of his friendly statements toward Russia, which has attacked Ukraine's sovereignty – there was no orchestrated effort by Ukraine's government to sway the contest.
    Just last week, David Hale, a top State Department official, testified that Russia, not Ukraine, interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. In testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Hale agreed it would serve Russia’s interest to push that false narrative about its neighbor.
    "Have you seen any intelligence assessment or any open-source reporting that would support the idea that Ukraine interfered in our 2016 election?" Sen. Christopher Coons, D-Del., asked Hale during the hearing.
    "I've seen nothing that's credible along those lines," he responded.
    Trump's 'fake dossier' theory

    Trump and his GOP allies have also vilified Christopher Steele, an ex-British intelligence officer, and GPS Fusion, the research firm that hired Steele to investigate Trump's ties to Russia during the 2016 campaign.
    Steele, who had run the British spy agency's Russia desk for several years, compiled the now-infamous "dossier" that included salacious allegations about Trump. Republicans say the FBI improperly used the unverified dossier to win court approval for its wiretap on Carter Page's communications, arguing that agents failed to disclose that Steele's work was being paid for in part by lawyers for Clinton.
    But copies of the wiretap surveillance applications show the FBI did disclose to judges that Steele sought information to "discredit" Trump. And the FBI’s counterintelligence investigation of Trump was launched after the FBI learned that another campaign aide, George Papadopoulos, boasted to an Australian diplomat that Russia had offered the Trump campaign damaging information about Clinton.
    Horowitz reviewed the FBI's communications with Steele as part of his internal investigation. He is reportedly expected to criticize some of the former British spy's work, but it's not clear how far he will go in fueling or contradicting Trump's claims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisban35 View Post
    Talk about serious spew... WOW!! You just puked up all the Blue Koolaid you engulfed today...

    First off, the DOJ has now said they're challenging the IG... Perhaps you just don't know what the term "Deep State" means.. Because the IG is part of that Deep State.

    Also, list ONE single way in which this president is a clear danger to the Constitution. I know it very very well, so please come with facts, or it might be rather embarrassing for you.

    You also say the "evidence against president Trump keeps stacking up".. That is a false statement for sure... The "supposed evidence" against Trump, keeps getting debunked! I'm not sure where you live, or what news stations you watch, but you need to switch channels now and again... Because everything they've accused the president of has been validated as "false"!! If you'd like to line up your supposed "evidence" I'll happily provide you with the debunking of that accusation...

    Name just "ONE" single point where they have factual evidence to impeach. And be careful, when you come back with regurgitated news, I'm not going to be gentle in calling you out...

    It's time Americans stop swallowing the toxic KoolAid and start being accountable to actually know what the real truth is. News Media outlets have gotten so bad, because "WE" are supposed to be the BUFFER that keeps them in line, but most are too lazy to validate, or if they know its a lie, to lazy to call them out on it!

    Know your facts! It's part of your duty as an American Citizen!
    All of your responses are a perfect indication that you live in an unreachable information silo of far right wing political beliefs. You represent approx 30-40% of Americans who do not want to hear anything bad about President Trump . As I read your previous post, if you held up a mirror to yourself you would see a person who is fully indoctrinated into Trump's version of America. I rest easy in knowing that you have only one vote to cast in Nov 2020.

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    Two Ukrainian members of Parliament had pressed for investigations into whether the prosecutors’ revelation of the payment records, which were first published in The New York Times, had violated Ukrainian laws that, in some cases, prohibit prosecutors from revealing evidence before a trial.
    Both lawmakers asserted that if the release of the slush fund information broke the law, then it should be viewed as an illegal effort to influence the United States presidential election in favor of Hillary Clinton by damaging the Trump campaign. The Kiev District Administrative Court, in a statement issued Wednesday, said that Artem Sytnik, the head of the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, the agency that had released information about the payments, had violated the law. The court’s statement said this violation “resulted in meddling in the electoral process of the United States in 2016 and damaged the national interests of Ukraine.”


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    Ukraine Court Rules Manafort Disclosure Caused ‘Meddling’ in U.S. Election - The New York Times

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaws View Post
    Two Ukrainian members of Parliament had pressed for investigations into whether the prosecutors’ revelation of the payment records, which were first published in The New York Times, had violated Ukrainian laws that, in some cases, prohibit prosecutors from revealing evidence before a trial.
    Both lawmakers asserted that if the release of the slush fund information broke the law, then it should be viewed as an illegal effort to influence the United States presidential election in favor of Hillary Clinton by damaging the Trump campaign. The Kiev District Administrative Court, in a statement issued Wednesday, said that Artem Sytnik, the head of the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, the agency that had released information about the payments, had violated the law. The court’s statement said this violation “resulted in meddling in the electoral process of the United States in 2016 and damaged the national interests of Ukraine.”


    Full article

    Ukraine Court Rules Manafort Disclosure Caused ‘Meddling’ in U.S. Election - The New York Times

    Everyone seems to forget so easily that things like this were reported on, and have not been disputed. The Ukrainian gov't. is slowly but surely (and out of the spotlight) making their cases about the corruption from the DNC, Hillary, Certain Ukrainians, and others. We have yet to see the big Fireworks! 2020 is going to be a very entertaining year, but not for the dems.

    TRUMP2020

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrohnB View Post
    Everyone seems to forget so easily that things like this were reported on, and have not been disputed. The Ukrainian gov't. is slowly but surely (and out of the spotlight) making their cases about the corruption from the DNC, Hillary, Certain Ukrainians, and others. We have yet to see the big Fireworks! 2020 is going to be a very entertaining year, but not for the dems.

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    Please adjust you Tin Foil Hat This was ALL Just Debunked!


    The notion that Ukraine meddled in the U.S. election is false. While some individual Ukrainian officials expressed support for Clinton and concern about Trump – because of his friendly statements toward Russia, which has attacked Ukraine's sovereignty – there was no orchestrated effort by Ukraine's government to sway the contest.
    Just last week, David Hale, a top State Department official, testified that Russia, not Ukraine, interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. In testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Hale agreed it would serve Russia’s interest to push that false narrative about its neighbor.
    "Have you seen any intelligence assessment or any open-source reporting that would support the idea that Ukraine interfered in our 2016 election?" Sen. Christopher Coons, D-Del., asked Hale during the hearing.
    "I've seen nothing that's credible along those lines," he responded.

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    I always found it odd how such a faraway country called Ukraine became the center of the US impeachment process.

    I know that Ukraine is on the front line of the West's defence against Russian expansion and they rely heavily on US military assistance.

    This current video provides some context.

    YouTube

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    You can say "debunked" until your blue in the face! Debunked by WHO!? Politically motivated democrat loyalists!?

    Here's a snippet from CNN's "Fact Checking" of Misuse of U.S. taxpayer funds in Ukraine as claimed by a Ukrainian and Giuliani.
    The 2017 report from Ukraine does not state that these funds were misused as Giuliani claims, but rather that there was not a "proper and complete accounting of the projects" due to a lack of solid regulatory framework in the government.

    In other words, "They don't know where the money went!" It wasn't used for the projects it was intended for, and nobody can "account" for where it went. So in one word it was...….MISUSED!

    You see how they try to spin things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisban35 View Post

    You'll give away your "Freedoms" for "Free", after those who gave their "Lives" so you could have them... Our current generations living through this event will go down as worse citizens than the Fat Romans who ignorantly gave up their glorious culture and freedoms as well. Tis sad when you really look at the incredible LACK of knowledge today's Americans have about their own government and what's going on right beneath their nose!
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    And I do believe that bsm2 is a good man just hopelessly misguided.
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