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    Just a random thought

    Was doing some web surfing and saw some links to current events and possible discussion of some of the recent democrat calls for a guaranteed annual minimum salary paid for of course by taxing the rich and the corporations. Oh yes and there was or is no apparent requirement to actually perform any work to qualify for the wages either. I got to thinking just why do all the current proponents of the guaranteed "living" wage" think they have a "brand new Idea?" The earliest I can remember was Hubert Humphrey trying to get it added to the platform of the democrats way back in 1968 during the nomination convention. Not that there weren't other people proposing the same thing earlier either. After all socialist have been around for lots longer than the sixties. Of course I was all of 16 back then and part of the discussion included making the wage start at age 18 and possibly even younger if the person was already employed in any capacity in a part time job after school. Which would have been great for me since I was a part time short order cook in a White Castle style restaurant and could then quit working and actually get more from the national guaranteed wage. Really fun discussions in my history class back then and just how many of the students actually said if there was a guaranteed annual wage then there was no reason for them to attend college or take shop classes to learn a trade. They could get the money right after school and spend the time at the beach or doing whatever they wanted since they would not have to work. More than a quarter of all the students in the class did profess they hoped the measure passed so they could avoid having to do all the hard work to earn a living. Then of course there were also the other side proponents that over joyously proclaimed that made it even easier for then to get the good paying jobs because there would be less competition because of the "free loaders" not even trying. Yeap not all the great new ideas are all that new.

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    Re: Just a random thought

    What I have noticed here in California is that as more and more fast food change are being forced to pay a minimum of $15.00 is that is takes considerable longer to get your order. Most likely due to reduction of the number of employees.

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    Re: Just a random thought

    Quote Originally Posted by slimslob View Post
    What I have noticed here in California is that as more and more fast food change are being forced to pay a minimum of $15.00 is that is takes considerable longer to get your order. Most likely due to reduction of the number of employees.
    It is kind of funny when the proponents of higher minimum wage are so silent when their objective is met they are strangely silent over how many people were let go in order to actually pay the people left on the job. There was one story online about a store in I believe Seattle where the store owner actually had an increase in profits because he didn't have to pay the salaries of the seven employees laid off , nor the benefits costs of those employees too. Which in cases of older part time workers can be a real real big expense. I have also noticed that the kiosk order and pay systems are also being installed here where the cross state owners are realizing the amount of money they save by actually installing a machine that works 24/7 versus paying three employees to do the same job that one machine handles. I have also noticed that where there used to be four or more cashiers in the local fast food joints most with the kiosk order pay have one actual cashier in case of a problem with the machines. Or like in my case a special order that the kiosk does not easily set up. So I actually order from the one cashier instead.

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    Re: Just a random thought

    The State of Alaska used to, and may still does, give money to each of it's residents every year, based on oil revenues. It is usually not a lot, but people look forward to the bonus.

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    Re: Just a random thought

    Quote Originally Posted by jonhiker View Post
    The State of Alaska used to, and may still does, give money to each of it's residents every year, based on oil revenues. It is usually not a lot, but people look forward to the bonus.
    Been quite a while but I do remember reading about that program. Actually I did a quick search and found a few articles describing exactly what you posted about. Here is one link. The money is from oil leases paid to the state that was put into a savings fund to pay low income residents.

    Alaska Dividend: Each Resident To Be Paid $900 From Oil Trust Fund | Newsmax.com

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    Re: Just a random thought

    Quote Originally Posted by gneebore View Post
    It is kind of funny when the proponents of higher minimum wage are so silent when their objective is met they are strangely silent over how many people were let go in order to actually pay the people left on the job. There was one story online about a store in I believe Seattle where the store owner actually had an increase in profits because he didn't have to pay the salaries of the seven employees laid off , nor the benefits costs of those employees too. Which in cases of older part time workers can be a real real big expense. I have also noticed that the kiosk order and pay systems are also being installed here where the cross state owners are realizing the amount of money they save by actually installing a machine that works 24/7 versus paying three employees to do the same job that one machine handles. I have also noticed that where there used to be four or more cashiers in the local fast food joints most with the kiosk order pay have one actual cashier in case of a problem with the machines. Or like in my case a special order that the kiosk does not easily set up. So I actually order from the one cashier instead.
    I seem to remember one restaurant, possibly in Seattle, where the owner decided to pay all his workers the same, I think it was $25 an hour. The quality workers got pissed that the lazy bums were being paid the same amount and quit. I think he lasted about 6 months before going belly up.

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    My partner works for social services and sees very few people who want to be on government assistance. Yes there are some, but not anywhere near a majority. Most people want to work.
    Gneebore, you seem to resent people on government assistance but you also don't seem to want them to make a living wage.
    There are many studies around that show a raise in minimum wage causes a boost in the economy. Try Google, it is easy.
    When Ontario increased the minimum wage to $14.00 the jobless rate actually dropped and the economy improved. Again, easily researched.

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    Re: Just a random thought

    Quote Originally Posted by copier addict View Post
    My partner works for social services and sees very few people who want to be on government assistance. Yes there are some, but not anywhere near a majority. Most people want to work.
    Gneebore, you seem to resent people on government assistance but you also don't seem to want them to make a living wage.
    There are many studies around that show a raise in minimum wage causes a boost in the economy. Try Google, it is easy.
    When Ontario increased the minimum wage to $14.00 the jobless rate actually dropped and the economy improved. Again, easily researched.
    Actually I do not resent people on public assistance. I do however take issue with your contention I don't want people to make a living wage. To most people I know minimum wage is a starting and training period salary not a full career wage. Heck even way back in the dark ages when I started working every place I worked gave any employee that stayed a raise within three months. One job was so tough they actually started me at minimum wage and then two week increased it by a dollar an hour. And then if I stayed there another month it went up by another dollar fifty. So by six weeks i was actually making double what I earned the first two weeks. And yes the minimum wage was actually only approx. 2.25/hr back then in the early seventies. Yes and when I made it to two months I got another dollar an hour. The company did that because so many worker quit within a week or two the job was that rough. It was in a printing plant next to gas fired ovens that were used to dry the web press products. usually newspaper inserts or magazine pages.

    But there have also been studies that dispute what you say about the vast majority of public assistance people preferring to not be on welfare. The average reports of welfare only include the basic assistance amount per month. Not the added rental, food and utilities assistance also. In some areas those benefits add up to the equivalent salary of 40,000 dollars a year without being taxable. Oh yeah I was actually in the possible need for food stamps a few years ago when I went on disability. Mortgage, utilities, insurance on the car house and life insurance all added up to make it very difficult to pay for simple things like food/ But one very simple little problem. My gross yearly disability benefit from Social Security was 500 more a year than the poverty level so I did not qualify for food stamps. The local food stamp office even told me so when I went there as a follow up for my disability claim. But here is a link to a recent study by the Cato Institute on welfare
    Why Get off Welfare? | Cato Institute

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    Re: Just a random thought

    Quote Originally Posted by slimslob View Post
    I seem to remember one restaurant, possibly in Seattle, where the owner decided to pay all his workers the same, I think it was $25 an hour. The quality workers got pissed that the lazy bums were being paid the same amount and quit. I think he lasted about 6 months before going belly up.
    I seem to remember that one too. We had something similar nearby when a store paid all employees the same and the lazy ones cheered and the hard workers became lazy and did nothing beyond show up. lasted about a week before the place actually closed because the owner wanted to retire anyway and was making an example of how not to run a company for all the high school kids claiming they needed to bbe treated equally and earn the same as the older people.

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