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    I also read an article yesterday that said Joe Biden's claim that electric cars will create new jobs is not only untrue but the opposite is true.

    Here's the deal. New electric cars will be replacing older cars so there will be no net gain in the number of cars produced. That's true.


    Here's the kicker: Electric cars will be easier to produce so that means the car companies will need less workers which will mean a net loss for workers hired.


    PS - It takes hours to recharge a car. I can fill my tank up in a few minutes. How's this gonna work? I can see lines as far as the eye can see at the recharging stations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyCarpenter View Post
    I also read an article yesterday that said Joe Biden's claim that electric cars will create new jobs is not only untrue but the opposite is true.

    Here's the deal. New electric cars will be replacing older cars so there will be no net gain in the number of cars produced. That's true.


    Here's the kicker: Electric cars will be easier to produce so that means the car companies will need less workers which will mean a net loss for workers hired.


    PS - It takes hours to recharge a car. I can fill my tank up in a few minutes. How's this gonna work? I can see lines as far as the eye can see at the recharging stations.
    HILARIOUS
    You can bring back analog copiers
    The world is switching to electric cars
    PS dont tell anyone about Solar and Wind Jobs

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    Why has the U.S. economy fared so much better under Democratic presidents than Republicans?


    President Franklin D. Roosevelt in the White House in 1944.Henry Burroughs/Associated Press
    Blue at the top, red at the bottom
    Has the economy fared better under Democratic presidents or Republican presidents over the past century? The sensible answer might seem to be: It’s probably been similar.

    Presidents, after all, have only limited control over the economy. They don’t have much influence over the millions of decisions every day, made by consumers and business executives, that shape economic growth, jobs, incomes and stock prices. Over the course of a century, it seems logical that the economy would have performed similarly under Democrats and Republicans.

    But it hasn’t.

    The economy has fared far better under Democrats. The gap, as one academic paper puts it, is “startlingly large.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsm2 View Post
    HILARIOUS
    You can bring back analog copiers
    The world is switching to electric cars
    PS dont tell anyone about Solar and Wind Jobs

    Enjoy your Made In China solar panels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyCarpenter View Post
    Enjoy your Made In China solar panels.
    Apparently you don't do your research many of the top Solar panels are made in the USA and Canada
    Try google dare you

    Here is a list of companies with solar panels made in the U.S.A. in 2020:

    Heliene – Mountain Iron, MN (U.S. manufacturing facility)
    Mission Solar – San Antonio, TX
    Seraphim – Jackson, MS (U.S. headquarters)
    Silfab Solar – Bellingham, WA (U.S. manufacturing facility)
    Solaria – Fremont, CA (U.S. headquarters)
    SolarTech Universal – Riviera Beach, FL
    SolarWorld Americas – Hillsboro, OR
    SunSpark – Riverside, CA
    Tesla/Panasonic – Buffalo, NY (U.S. manufacturing facility)
    Other notable American solar companies:

    Auxin Solar – San Jose, CA
    CertainTeed Solar – San Jose, CA
    CSUN – McClellan Park, CA
    First Solar – Perrysburg, OH
    Global Solar – Tucson, AZ
    GreenBrilliance – Baltimore, MD
    Hanwha Q CELLS – Dalton, GA
    JinkoSolar – Jacksonville, FL
    LG Solar USA – Huntsville, AL
    Lumos Solar – San Jose, CA
    MiaSolé – Sunnyvale, CA
    Prism Solar – Highland, NY
    Solar Electric America – Richmond, VA
    SolSuntech – Virginia
    SunPower – San Jose, CA

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    You forgot to mention Solyndra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsm2 View Post
    Apparently you don't do your research many of the top Solar panels are made in the USA and Canada
    Try google dare you

    Here is a list of companies with solar panels made in the U.S.A. in 2020:

    Heliene – Mountain Iron, MN (U.S. manufacturing facility)
    Mission Solar – San Antonio, TX
    Seraphim – Jackson, MS (U.S. headquarters)
    Silfab Solar – Bellingham, WA (U.S. manufacturing facility)
    Solaria – Fremont, CA (U.S. headquarters)
    SolarTech Universal – Riviera Beach, FL
    SolarWorld Americas – Hillsboro, OR
    SunSpark – Riverside, CA
    Tesla/Panasonic – Buffalo, NY (U.S. manufacturing facility)
    Other notable American solar companies:

    Auxin Solar – San Jose, CA
    CertainTeed Solar – San Jose, CA
    CSUN – McClellan Park, CA
    First Solar – Perrysburg, OH
    Global Solar – Tucson, AZ
    GreenBrilliance – Baltimore, MD
    Hanwha Q CELLS – Dalton, GA
    JinkoSolar – Jacksonville, FL
    LG Solar USA – Huntsville, AL
    Lumos Solar – San Jose, CA
    MiaSolé – Sunnyvale, CA
    Prism Solar – Highland, NY
    Solar Electric America – Richmond, VA
    SolSuntech – Virginia
    SunPower – San Jose, CA

    Why China Is Dominating the Solar Industry

    Between 2008 and 2013, China's solar-electric panel industry dropped world prices by 80 percent






    Between 2008 and 2013, China’s fledgling solar-electric panel industry dropped world prices by 80 percent, a stunning achievement in a fiercely competitive high-tech market. China had leapfrogged from nursing a tiny, rural-oriented solar program in the 1990s to become the globe’s leader in what may soon be the world’s largest renewable energy source.
    “They fundamentally changed the economics of solar all over the world,” said Amit Ronen, director of the Solar Institute of George Washington University, one of many scholars following the intense competition in the emerging $100 billion industry that supports the world’s growing solar energy demands.
    China’s move eclipsed the leadership of the U.S. solar industry, which invented the technology, still holds many of the world’s patents and led the industry for more than three decades. Just how China accomplished that and why it did is still a matter of concern and debate among U.S. experts.



    One clear result is that the U.S. solar industry was hit hard by plunging prices and can no longer supply more than a third of rapidly growing U.S. appetite for solar panels, according to a recent Department of Energy report exploring “opportunities and challenges” of solar manufacturing.
    China’s new dominance of nearly all aspects of solar use and manufacturing—markets that are predicted to expand by 13 percent a year, according to the report—came through a “unique, complex and interdependent set of circumstances” that is not likely to be repeated.
    But if the United States innovates, cuts costs and nurtures newer technologies, it might emerge as the world’s second largest solar panel manufacturer by 2020, the report concludes.
    The timeline of China’s rise began in the late 1990s when Germany, overwhelmed by the domestic response to a government incentive program to promote rooftop solar panels, provided the capital, technology and experts to lure China into making solar panels to meet the German demand.
    “The Chinese took it and basically ran with it,” said Donald Chung, one of the authors of the DOE report, who studies the solar industry for DOE’s National Renewable Energy Laboratory in Golden, Colo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyCarpenter View Post
    Why China Is Dominating the Solar Industry

    Between 2008 and 2013, China's solar-electric panel industry dropped world prices by 80 percent






    Between 2008 and 2013, China’s fledgling solar-electric panel industry dropped world prices by 80 percent, a stunning achievement in a fiercely competitive high-tech market. China had leapfrogged from nursing a tiny, rural-oriented solar program in the 1990s to become the globe’s leader in what may soon be the world’s largest renewable energy source.
    “They fundamentally changed the economics of solar all over the world,” said Amit Ronen, director of the Solar Institute of George Washington University, one of many scholars following the intense competition in the emerging $100 billion industry that supports the world’s growing solar energy demands.
    China’s move eclipsed the leadership of the U.S. solar industry, which invented the technology, still holds many of the world’s patents and led the industry for more than three decades. Just how China accomplished that and why it did is still a matter of concern and debate among U.S. experts.



    One clear result is that the U.S. solar industry was hit hard by plunging prices and can no longer supply more than a third of rapidly growing U.S. appetite for solar panels, according to a recent Department of Energy report exploring “opportunities and challenges” of solar manufacturing.
    China’s new dominance of nearly all aspects of solar use and manufacturing—markets that are predicted to expand by 13 percent a year, according to the report—came through a “unique, complex and interdependent set of circumstances” that is not likely to be repeated.
    But if the United States innovates, cuts costs and nurtures newer technologies, it might emerge as the world’s second largest solar panel manufacturer by 2020, the report concludes.
    The timeline of China’s rise began in the late 1990s when Germany, overwhelmed by the domestic response to a government incentive program to promote rooftop solar panels, provided the capital, technology and experts to lure China into making solar panels to meet the German demand.
    “The Chinese took it and basically ran with it,” said Donald Chung, one of the authors of the DOE report, who studies the solar industry for DOE’s National Renewable Energy Laboratory in Golden, Colo.
    Wow its 2021 Buddy US Solar have better panels and are very competitive. Glad to see you have Zero faith in US manufacturing

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsm2 View Post
    Wow its 2021 Buddy US Solar have better panels and are very competitive. Glad to see you have Zero faith in US manufacturing

    Son, do you ever research anything? Here's a good left wing site that will tell you all you need to know. Enjoy the read:



    The Solar-Powered Future Is Being Assembled in China


    The solar supply chain is punishingly cheap, and Longi dominates it like no one else.

    By Bloomberg News

    September 14, 2020, 4:00 PM



    On a recent morning in central China, workers in blue jumpsuits and white masks placed clamps around a bar of shiny metal and fed it into a powerful cutting machine. The bar was an ingot made of polysilicon, a heavily refined cousin of the same material that makes up sand. Inside the cutter, it was sliced into thousands of small squares slightly larger than a CD case and thinner than a thumbnail. These wafers would then be shipped on to other factories to be infused with conductive elements such as phosphorous and boron, then wired into cells and assembled into panels—the base unit of solar energy generation.

    The owner of this factory, Longi Green Energy Technology Co., is the world’s largest producer of solar wafers and the world’s largest solar company by market value. As of the end of last year it created about 1 of every 4 wafers made anywhere on the planet, and since then it’s announced at least five projects to expand its factories or build new ones. Despite a pandemic that may slow the growth of new solar power installations for the first time in decades, Longi expects its production capacity by the end of 2020 to have increased by two-thirds compared with 2019.


    Longi and the other Chinese companies that dominate solar—collectively they control at least 60% of global capacity for every step in the supply chain—are playing a risky game. The short history of the solar industry is a tale of repeated boom and bust, with abrupt technological and policy developments rendering multibillion​-dollar investments obsolete. Industry leaders one day have, again and again, become bankruptcy filers the next.


    The bet in China is that this time is different. Plunging costs have left solar the cheapest form of energy in parts of the world. Subsidies are disappearing as it becomes more competitive with other forms of electric generation, making demand less dependent on political decisions. And advances in energy storage are opening a tantalizing possibility: that solar could, in the near future, replace fossil fuels in many places. “We believe the solar market will maintain the trend of rapid growth,” says Li Zhenguo, Longi’s
    billionaire president. A physicist by training, he founded the company in 2000, naming it for a university principal who’d impressed Li with his academic rigor. “Current global production capacity, including Longi’s, is nowhere near enough to meet the coming demand.”



    Longi dates to a time when Chinese solar manufacturers were relying primarily on cheap labor to undercut more established players from the U.S. and Europe. That strategy can collapse once wages rise, as they have in China. But, in Li’s telling, Longi was focused on coming up with a product that could compete in the longer term.






    That aim led the company to make a momentous choice early on. There are two ways to make the blocks that solar wafers are sliced from: by cooling molten silicon into one homogeneous structure or encouraging it to crystallize from different points. The first approach, known as mono-crystalline, provides greater conductivity and efficiency. But it’s more expensive than multi-crystalline products, which most manufacturers favored in their efforts to compete with cheap fossil fuel generation.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2020-china-solar-giant-longi/





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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyCarpenter View Post
    Son, do you ever research anything? Here's a good left wing site that will tell you all you need to know. Enjoy the read:



    The Solar-Powered Future Is Being Assembled in China


    The solar supply chain is punishingly cheap, and Longi dominates it like no one else.

    By Bloomberg News

    September 14, 2020, 4:00 PM



    On a recent morning in central China, workers in blue jumpsuits and white masks placed clamps around a bar of shiny metal and fed it into a powerful cutting machine. The bar was an ingot made of polysilicon, a heavily refined cousin of the same material that makes up sand. Inside the cutter, it was sliced into thousands of small squares slightly larger than a CD case and thinner than a thumbnail. These wafers would then be shipped on to other factories to be infused with conductive elements such as phosphorous and boron, then wired into cells and assembled into panels—the base unit of solar energy generation.

    The owner of this factory, Longi Green Energy Technology Co., is the world’s largest producer of solar wafers and the world’s largest solar company by market value. As of the end of last year it created about 1 of every 4 wafers made anywhere on the planet, and since then it’s announced at least five projects to expand its factories or build new ones. Despite a pandemic that may slow the growth of new solar power installations for the first time in decades, Longi expects its production capacity by the end of 2020 to have increased by two-thirds compared with 2019.


    Longi and the other Chinese companies that dominate solar—collectively they control at least 60% of global capacity for every step in the supply chain—are playing a risky game. The short history of the solar industry is a tale of repeated boom and bust, with abrupt technological and policy developments rendering multibillion​-dollar investments obsolete. Industry leaders one day have, again and again, become bankruptcy filers the next.


    The bet in China is that this time is different. Plunging costs have left solar the cheapest form of energy in parts of the world. Subsidies are disappearing as it becomes more competitive with other forms of electric generation, making demand less dependent on political decisions. And advances in energy storage are opening a tantalizing possibility: that solar could, in the near future, replace fossil fuels in many places. “We believe the solar market will maintain the trend of rapid growth,” says Li Zhenguo, Longi’s
    billionaire president. A physicist by training, he founded the company in 2000, naming it for a university principal who’d impressed Li with his academic rigor. “Current global production capacity, including Longi’s, is nowhere near enough to meet the coming demand.”



    Longi dates to a time when Chinese solar manufacturers were relying primarily on cheap labor to undercut more established players from the U.S. and Europe. That strategy can collapse once wages rise, as they have in China. But, in Li’s telling, Longi was focused on coming up with a product that could compete in the longer term.






    That aim led the company to make a momentous choice early on. There are two ways to make the blocks that solar wafers are sliced from: by cooling molten silicon into one homogeneous structure or encouraging it to crystallize from different points. The first approach, known as mono-crystalline, provides greater conductivity and efficiency. But it’s more expensive than multi-crystalline products, which most manufacturers favored in their efforts to compete with cheap fossil fuel generation.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2020-china-solar-giant-longi/




    Glad to see how you under sell The American workforce jobs and US manufacturing. How UNAMERICAN

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