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    This bitch is just plain loony! If you can't use statistics or facts what kind of conversation can we have... surely not one based on EMOTIONS/FEELINGS!


    AOC Slams Republicans For Using ‘Statistics’ And ‘Studies’ To Debunk Her Green New Deal Claims

    Celebrating “Earth Day,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez slammed Republicans for using “statistics and studies” in their opposition to her Green New Deal proposals, which included the widespread abandonment of fossil fuels in favor of “green” energy.
    “Happy Earth Day!” Rep. Ocasio-Cortez tweeted. “Here’s a friendly reminder from this morning’s committee hearing that investing in sustainable energy sources now makes more financial sense than spending billions to repair fossil fuel infrastructure after each climate disaster.”

    In the attached video, Rep. Ocasio-Cortez begins, “We’ve heard a lot of, frankly, fantastic stories about what we would do if we actually commit to saving our planet.”

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1385360236375126018



    “We have heard that it is a socialist conspiracy takeover to bring down climate emissions below the IPCC report of 1.5 degrees Celsius,” the congresswoman continued. “We have heard that it will cause electricity bills to skyrocket and prompt families to pay hundreds of dollars a month in their normal electricity bills.”
    Rep. Ocasio-Cortez then continued to reject the conservative use of “statistics” and “studies” to criticize her proposals.
    “But that doesn’t actually compare, you know, while we see these statistics and these studies by Republican and conservative and pro-lobbyist think tanks develop these theoretical ideas of what nightmares could potentially await us if we actually stewarded our future, they fail to acknowledge what’s happening right now.”


    Ocasio-Cortez then presented the admitted failure of general power-related infrastructure in Texas during the winter storms in February as evidence that her proposals are correct.
    “Let’s take, for example, electricity bills. While there’s all this fear-mongering about if we switch to solar, if we commit to wind, that our costs will go up a lot. That fails to acknowledge what we just saw in February when Texas had a freeze and their fossil fuel infrastructure was so inadequate and unprepared thanks to both climate-denying politicians who refuse to invest in infrastructure to adapt to our future and acknowledge that we will be experiencing climate events in regions that have never experienced such events before, and also from industry, who doesn’t want to invest and actually take the cost of preparing for our future.”
    “So what does that yield?” Ocasio-Cortez asked. “It yielded $16,000 electricity bills, oil and gas electricity bills, electricity bills from an oil and gas infrastructure on everyday people in the state of Texas. $16,000. That is just the everyday what we are seeing for everyday people.”

    Where does she pull these numbers from EXCEPT for Statistics/Studies. She contradicts herslef everytime she opens her HUGE PIE HOLE!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil B. View Post
    This bitch is just plain loony! If you can't use statistics or facts what kind of conversation can we have... surely not one based on EMOTIONS/FEELINGS!


    AOC Slams Republicans For Using ‘Statistics’ And ‘Studies’ To Debunk Her Green New Deal Claims

    Celebrating “Earth Day,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez slammed Republicans for using “statistics and studies” in their opposition to her Green New Deal proposals, which included the widespread abandonment of fossil fuels in favor of “green” energy.
    “Happy Earth Day!” Rep. Ocasio-Cortez tweeted. “Here’s a friendly reminder from this morning’s committee hearing that investing in sustainable energy sources now makes more financial sense than spending billions to repair fossil fuel infrastructure after each climate disaster.”

    In the attached video, Rep. Ocasio-Cortez begins, “We’ve heard a lot of, frankly, fantastic stories about what we would do if we actually commit to saving our planet.”

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1385360236375126018



    “We have heard that it is a socialist conspiracy takeover to bring down climate emissions below the IPCC report of 1.5 degrees Celsius,” the congresswoman continued. “We have heard that it will cause electricity bills to skyrocket and prompt families to pay hundreds of dollars a month in their normal electricity bills.”
    Rep. Ocasio-Cortez then continued to reject the conservative use of “statistics” and “studies” to criticize her proposals.
    “But that doesn’t actually compare, you know, while we see these statistics and these studies by Republican and conservative and pro-lobbyist think tanks develop these theoretical ideas of what nightmares could potentially await us if we actually stewarded our future, they fail to acknowledge what’s happening right now.”


    Ocasio-Cortez then presented the admitted failure of general power-related infrastructure in Texas during the winter storms in February as evidence that her proposals are correct.
    “Let’s take, for example, electricity bills. While there’s all this fear-mongering about if we switch to solar, if we commit to wind, that our costs will go up a lot. That fails to acknowledge what we just saw in February when Texas had a freeze and their fossil fuel infrastructure was so inadequate and unprepared thanks to both climate-denying politicians who refuse to invest in infrastructure to adapt to our future and acknowledge that we will be experiencing climate events in regions that have never experienced such events before, and also from industry, who doesn’t want to invest and actually take the cost of preparing for our future.”
    “So what does that yield?” Ocasio-Cortez asked. “It yielded $16,000 electricity bills, oil and gas electricity bills, electricity bills from an oil and gas infrastructure on everyday people in the state of Texas. $16,000. That is just the everyday what we are seeing for everyday people.”

    Where does she pull these numbers from EXCEPT for Statistics/Studies. She contradicts herslef everytime she opens her HUGE PIE HOLE!


    Thanks for this Phil. It pretty much explains why we need to invest in sustainable energy. It must have really hurt to post some facts. Nice job. We all appreciate it.

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    With multiple mansions ... regular flights on private jets.... vacations all over the world, this fool has GOT to have one of the largest carbon footprints in the USA! "Do as I SAY.. not as I DO!"
    What do plants/trees use for food Johnnie? OH YEAH CO2!


    John Kerry Implies Net-Zero Emissions Goal Not Good Enough, Says We Need To ‘Get Carbon Dioxide Out Of The Atmosphere’

    At the virtual Leaders’ Climate Summit on Thursday, climate czar John Kerry made the claim that even if a goal of net-zero emissions is achieved, carbon dioxide will still need to be removed from the atmosphere.
    Kerry spoke through a screen as the summit was held on a virtual format, saying, “Even if we get to net zero, we still have to get carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere. This is a bigger challenge than a lot of people have really grabbed onto yet.”
    Scientists have pointed to a rise in carbon dioxide levels in Earth’s atmosphere as a force behind global warming. That said, carbon dioxide also plays a crucial role in sustaining life on Earth because it keeps heat in the atmosphere and prevents the planet from becoming too cold.

    According to UCAR Center for Science Education, there are natural sources of carbon dioxide in Earth’s atmosphere in addition to human industrialization efforts. Volcanic outgassing and wildfires emit carbon dioxide, as well as human respiration.
    There are also natural ways that carbon dioxide is used up in the atmosphere, such as through photosynthesis — “the biochemical process by which plants and some microbes create food.” Forests and certain parts of the ocean with photosynthetic microbes are known as carbon “sinks” that can take out carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.
    Kerry has called on the United States to speed up the process of developing carbon capture technologies in the past. At the CERAWeek conference last month, in a conversation with former U.S. Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz, Kerry said, “I think that the fossil fuel industry clearly could do a lot more to transition into being a full-fledged energy (industry) that is embracing some of these new technologies.”

    Finding ways to remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere is complex. As Huffpost reported, natural ways of taking carbon out of the atmosphere — through forests and farming methods — are hard to measure “and carry significant risks of displacing people from conserved lands or losing emissions progress to wildfires.” Technological advancements such as direct air capture, or technology that can take CO2 particles from the atmosphere, are costly and use up a lot of energy.
    Mark Z. Jacobson, a professor of civil and environmental engineering and a senior fellow at Stanford University’s Woods Institute for the Environment, looked at “public data from a coal with carbon capture electric power plant and a plant that removes carbon from the air directly” in 2019. The research compared different types of carbon removal in order to determine whether they were beneficial. Jacobson found that replacing coal or gas plants with renewable energy plants is a better option than attempting to remove carbon dioxide from the air.

    In both cases, electricity to run the capture technology came from natural gas. He calculated the net CO2 reduction and total cost of the carbon capture process in each case, accounting for the electricity needed to run the carbon capture equipment, the combustion and upstream emissions resulting from that electricity, and, in the case of the coal plant, its upstream emissions. (Upstream emissions are emissions, including from leaks and combustion, from mining and transporting a fuel such as coal or natural gas.)
    Common estimates of carbon capture technologies—which only look at the carbon captured from energy production at a fossil fuel plant itself and not upstream emissions—say they can remediate 85-90% of carbon emissions.
    Once Jacobson calculated all the emissions associated with these plants that could contribute to global warming, he converted them to the equivalent amount of carbon dioxide in order to compare his data with the standard estimate. He found that in both cases the equipment captured the equivalent of only 10-11% of the emissions they produced, averaged over 20 years.
    “All sorts of scenarios have been developed under the assumption that carbon capture actually reduces substantial amounts of carbon. However, this research finds that it reduces only a small fraction of carbon emissions, and it usually increases air pollution,” he said.
    Jacobson added, “Even if you have 100% capture from the capture equipment, it is still worse, from a social cost perspective, than replacing a coal or gas plant with a wind farm because carbon capture never reduces air pollution and always has a capture equipment cost. Wind replacing fossil fuels always reduces air pollution and never has a capture equipment cost.”
    President Joe Biden announced a goal for the United States to get reach net-zero emissions at the summit on Thursday before Kerry seemed to imply later in the day that the goal is not good enough.
    Biden said, “The United States sets out on the road to cut greenhouse gases in half — in half — by the end of this decade. That’s where we’re headed as a nation and that’s what we can do if we take action to build an economy that’s not only more prosperous but healthier, fairer, and cleaner for the entire planet.
    “You know, these steps will set America on a path of net-zero emissions economy by no later than 2050, but the truth is America represents less than 50% of the world’s emissions,” he said.
    As reported John Kerry also pointed to the previous administration in his discussion at the summit, saying, “We had to prove that we were serious. And I think today, does that in many ways, and not in a chauvinistic – in a way that sort of inappropriate to our relationship with other countries, but in a way that reinforces the fact that this is my bilateral that we need to bring all the countries in the world at the table we all need to raise ambition.”


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil B. View Post
    With multiple mansions ... regular flights on private jets.... vacations all over the world, this fool has GOT to have one of the largest carbon footprints in the USA! "Do as I SAY.. not as I DO!"
    What do plants/trees use for food Johnnie? OH YEAH CO2!


    John Kerry Implies Net-Zero Emissions Goal Not Good Enough, Says We Need To ‘Get Carbon Dioxide Out Of The Atmosphere’

    At the virtual Leaders’ Climate Summit on Thursday, climate czar John Kerry made the claim that even if a goal of net-zero emissions is achieved, carbon dioxide will still need to be removed from the atmosphere.
    Kerry spoke through a screen as the summit was held on a virtual format, saying, “Even if we get to net zero, we still have to get carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere. This is a bigger challenge than a lot of people have really grabbed onto yet.”
    Scientists have pointed to a rise in carbon dioxide levels in Earth’s atmosphere as a force behind global warming. That said, carbon dioxide also plays a crucial role in sustaining life on Earth because it keeps heat in the atmosphere and prevents the planet from becoming too cold.

    According to UCAR Center for Science Education, there are natural sources of carbon dioxide in Earth’s atmosphere in addition to human industrialization efforts. Volcanic outgassing and wildfires emit carbon dioxide, as well as human respiration.
    There are also natural ways that carbon dioxide is used up in the atmosphere, such as through photosynthesis — “the biochemical process by which plants and some microbes create food.” Forests and certain parts of the ocean with photosynthetic microbes are known as carbon “sinks” that can take out carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.
    Kerry has called on the United States to speed up the process of developing carbon capture technologies in the past. At the CERAWeek conference last month, in a conversation with former U.S. Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz, Kerry said, “I think that the fossil fuel industry clearly could do a lot more to transition into being a full-fledged energy (industry) that is embracing some of these new technologies.”

    Finding ways to remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere is complex. As Huffpost reported, natural ways of taking carbon out of the atmosphere — through forests and farming methods — are hard to measure “and carry significant risks of displacing people from conserved lands or losing emissions progress to wildfires.” Technological advancements such as direct air capture, or technology that can take CO2 particles from the atmosphere, are costly and use up a lot of energy.
    Mark Z. Jacobson, a professor of civil and environmental engineering and a senior fellow at Stanford University’s Woods Institute for the Environment, looked at “public data from a coal with carbon capture electric power plant and a plant that removes carbon from the air directly” in 2019. The research compared different types of carbon removal in order to determine whether they were beneficial. Jacobson found that replacing coal or gas plants with renewable energy plants is a better option than attempting to remove carbon dioxide from the air.

    In both cases, electricity to run the capture technology came from natural gas. He calculated the net CO2 reduction and total cost of the carbon capture process in each case, accounting for the electricity needed to run the carbon capture equipment, the combustion and upstream emissions resulting from that electricity, and, in the case of the coal plant, its upstream emissions. (Upstream emissions are emissions, including from leaks and combustion, from mining and transporting a fuel such as coal or natural gas.)
    Common estimates of carbon capture technologies—which only look at the carbon captured from energy production at a fossil fuel plant itself and not upstream emissions—say they can remediate 85-90% of carbon emissions.
    Once Jacobson calculated all the emissions associated with these plants that could contribute to global warming, he converted them to the equivalent amount of carbon dioxide in order to compare his data with the standard estimate. He found that in both cases the equipment captured the equivalent of only 10-11% of the emissions they produced, averaged over 20 years.
    “All sorts of scenarios have been developed under the assumption that carbon capture actually reduces substantial amounts of carbon. However, this research finds that it reduces only a small fraction of carbon emissions, and it usually increases air pollution,” he said.
    Jacobson added, “Even if you have 100% capture from the capture equipment, it is still worse, from a social cost perspective, than replacing a coal or gas plant with a wind farm because carbon capture never reduces air pollution and always has a capture equipment cost. Wind replacing fossil fuels always reduces air pollution and never has a capture equipment cost.”
    President Joe Biden announced a goal for the United States to get reach net-zero emissions at the summit on Thursday before Kerry seemed to imply later in the day that the goal is not good enough.
    Biden said, “The United States sets out on the road to cut greenhouse gases in half — in half — by the end of this decade. That’s where we’re headed as a nation and that’s what we can do if we take action to build an economy that’s not only more prosperous but healthier, fairer, and cleaner for the entire planet.
    “You know, these steps will set America on a path of net-zero emissions economy by no later than 2050, but the truth is America represents less than 50% of the world’s emissions,” he said.
    As reported John Kerry also pointed to the previous administration in his discussion at the summit, saying, “We had to prove that we were serious. And I think today, does that in many ways, and not in a chauvinistic – in a way that sort of inappropriate to our relationship with other countries, but in a way that reinforces the fact that this is my bilateral that we need to bring all the countries in the world at the table we all need to raise ambition.”
    Even I know he doesn't mean remove ALL of the CO2 from the atmosphere. You must also realise this, being as intelligent as you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil B. View Post
    With multiple mansions ... regular flights on private jets.... vacations all over the world, this fool has GOT to have one of the largest carbon footprints in the USA! "Do as I SAY.. not as I DO!"
    What do plants/trees use for food Johnnie? OH YEAH CO2!


    John Kerry Implies Net-Zero Emissions Goal Not Good Enough, Says We Need To ‘Get Carbon Dioxide Out Of The Atmosphere’


    At the virtual Leaders’ Climate Summit on Thursday, climate czar John Kerry made the claim that even if a goal of net-zero emissions is achieved, carbon dioxide will still need to be removed from the atmosphere.
    Kerry spoke through a screen as the summit was held on a virtual format, saying, “Even if we get to net zero, we still have to get carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere. This is a bigger challenge than a lot of people have really grabbed onto yet.”
    Scientists have pointed to a rise in carbon dioxide levels in Earth’s atmosphere as a force behind global warming. That said, carbon dioxide also plays a crucial role in sustaining life on Earth because it keeps heat in the atmosphere and prevents the planet from becoming too cold.

    According to UCAR Center for Science Education, there are natural sources of carbon dioxide in Earth’s atmosphere in addition to human industrialization efforts. Volcanic outgassing and wildfires emit carbon dioxide, as well as human respiration.
    There are also natural ways that carbon dioxide is used up in the atmosphere, such as through photosynthesis — “the biochemical process by which plants and some microbes create food.” Forests and certain parts of the ocean with photosynthetic microbes are known as carbon “sinks” that can take out carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.
    Kerry has called on the United States to speed up the process of developing carbon capture technologies in the past. At the CERAWeek conference last month, in a conversation with former U.S. Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz, Kerry said, “I think that the fossil fuel industry clearly could do a lot more to transition into being a full-fledged energy (industry) that is embracing some of these new technologies.”

    Finding ways to remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere is complex. As Huffpost reported, natural ways of taking carbon out of the atmosphere — through forests and farming methods — are hard to measure “and carry significant risks of displacing people from conserved lands or losing emissions progress to wildfires.” Technological advancements such as direct air capture, or technology that can take CO2 particles from the atmosphere, are costly and use up a lot of energy.
    Mark Z. Jacobson, a professor of civil and environmental engineering and a senior fellow at Stanford University’s Woods Institute for the Environment, looked at “public data from a coal with carbon capture electric power plant and a plant that removes carbon from the air directly” in 2019. The research compared different types of carbon removal in order to determine whether they were beneficial. Jacobson found that replacing coal or gas plants with renewable energy plants is a better option than attempting to remove carbon dioxide from the air.
    In both cases, electricity to run the capture technology came from natural gas. He calculated the net CO2 reduction and total cost of the carbon capture process in each case, accounting for the electricity needed to run the carbon capture equipment, the combustion and upstream emissions resulting from that electricity, and, in the case of the coal plant, its upstream emissions. (Upstream emissions are emissions, including from leaks and combustion, from mining and transporting a fuel such as coal or natural gas.)
    Common estimates of carbon capture technologies—which only look at the carbon captured from energy production at a fossil fuel plant itself and not upstream emissions—say they can remediate 85-90% of carbon emissions.
    Once Jacobson calculated all the emissions associated with these plants that could contribute to global warming, he converted them to the equivalent amount of carbon dioxide in order to compare his data with the standard estimate. He found that in both cases the equipment captured the equivalent of only 10-11% of the emissions they produced, averaged over 20 years.
    “All sorts of scenarios have been developed under the assumption that carbon capture actually reduces substantial amounts of carbon. However, this research finds that it reduces only a small fraction of carbon emissions, and it usually increases air pollution,” he said.
    Jacobson added, “Even if you have 100% capture from the capture equipment, it is still worse, from a social cost perspective, than replacing a coal or gas plant with a wind farm because carbon capture never reduces air pollution and always has a capture equipment cost. Wind replacing fossil fuels always reduces air pollution and never has a capture equipment cost.”
    President Joe Biden announced a goal for the United States to get reach net-zero emissions at the summit on Thursday before Kerry seemed to imply later in the day that the goal is not good enough.
    Biden said, “The United States sets out on the road to cut greenhouse gases in half — in half — by the end of this decade. That’s where we’re headed as a nation and that’s what we can do if we take action to build an economy that’s not only more prosperous but healthier, fairer, and cleaner for the entire planet.
    “You know, these steps will set America on a path of net-zero emissions economy by no later than 2050, but the truth is America represents less than 50% of the world’s emissions,” he said.
    As reported John Kerry also pointed to the previous administration in his discussion at the summit, saying, “We had to prove that we were serious. And I think today, does that in many ways, and not in a chauvinistic – in a way that sort of inappropriate to our relationship with other countries, but in a way that reinforces the fact that this is my bilateral that we need to bring all the countries in the world at the table we all need to raise ambition.”
    I know of one thing John Kerry can do to reduce carbon dioxide emissions, stop breathing. When we breath, we exhale CO2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimslob View Post
    I know of one thing John Kerry can do to reduce carbon dioxide emissions, stop breathing. When we breath, we exhale CO2.
    that'd be a good start .. but there are many more that should follow your advise!

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    Alan D. Said that this isn't over.
    He actually said there might be a mistrial.

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    Everyone better buy a gun because soon law and order will be a thing of the past. Hell, it already is in some places.

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    The Sky is Falling Hilarious

    Would you like a tissue


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