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    Quote Originally Posted by mikadonovan View Post
    Honestly, I have no animosity at all towards Phil, or his take on things. We have both been members here a long time, and have agreed on some things, and sometimes disagree. Part of being human beings. If we all agreed on everything all the time, our species would wither and die faster than you know. A little adversity keeps us moving forward. Ok, I'm out. Everyone have a GREAT day.

    It is his inability to contend with differing opinions that make him difficult to take seriously.
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    This is a site that is a source for daily economic reports, layoffs, losses and store closings which we have all seen an unfortunate increase in due to the covid.

    https://www.dailyjobcuts.com/
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    Not sure if anyone watches the Epic Economist. It covers information on the economy and events occurring due to the covid. Also, another good one The Money GPS

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMgQy_6jLVs


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    5 New Dangers of Dining Out No One Saw Coming

    1. Identity tracking - Right before restaurants in Washington, D.C. were cleared for reopening and resuming their dine-in services, Washington governor Jay Inslee announced a controversial new policy aimed at limiting the spread of the virus. It includes restaurants having to record the identity and contact information of every person dining in their establishment.

    2. Takeout apps may end up tracking your location

    3. Overly sanitized places could be counterproductive to our health

    The fight against coronavirus may have some negative long-term outcomes for our health. our overuse of antimicrobials may also end up having an effect on our ability to fight off germs.


    5. Air conditioning in restaurants may help spread the virus. - so we’ll just have to sweat it out when we eat out from

    now on. A/C BAD!!
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    facts about Covid 19

    Facts about Covid-19 – Swiss Policy Research

    Amongst others
    According to data from the best-studied countries and regions, the lethality of Covid19 is on average about 0.2%, which is in the range of a severe influenza (flu) and about twenty times lower than originally assumed by the WHO.
    Given this, is a global vaccine needed before things return back to normal, many countries are tracking their citizens with mobile phone apps, many that are not have them in the pipeline. Since the flu mutates how will a vaccine work against a mutated Covid 19.
    When you think you have made a procedure idiot proof your company employs a better idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrohnB View Post
    5 New Dangers of Dining Out No One Saw Coming

    1. Identity tracking - Right before restaurants in Washington, D.C. were cleared for reopening and resuming their dine-in services, Washington governor Jay Inslee announced a controversial new policy aimed at limiting the spread of the virus. It includes restaurants having to record the identity and contact information of every person dining in their establishment.
    Lets suppose someone has China19 but is showing no symptoms which applies to 60% of cases. They pass it on to someone again who develops no symptoms, that second person visits their 106 year old grandmother who is currently suffering from the flu. Seems like its more about mass global surveillance than anything else.
    When you think you have made a procedure idiot proof your company employs a better idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil B. View Post

    CUOMO reminds me of one of those typical stupid mafioso boss, who tries to use bigs word to impress his girlfriend...And he just drones on and on and on.......
    People here are getting stir crazy and some places are opening up w/out permission from the DON...

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    Colorado Makes Huge Change in Number of COVID Deaths, Raises Questions About Mortality Rate

    Colorado has implemented a critical change to the way it counts COVID-19 deaths, lowering the state’s coronavirus death toll from more than 1,000 to 878 as of May 9.
    The state’s Department of Public Health and Environment altered the data amid criticism that it had inflated COVID death numbers, KDVR-TV in Denver reported Friday.

    “We have been reporting at the state, deaths among people who had COVID-19 at the time of death and the cause of that death may or may not have been COVID-19,” Dr. Eric France, the health department’s chief medical officer, told the station.
    There had been an uproar of concern over inconsistent COVID death counts coming from Colorado citizens across the state.
    “We started to hear stories about, ‘Are these correct or are these incorrect?'” France said.

    It raises a question: If people were not so adamant in questioning the CDPHE numbers, would the false information have continued to be pushed?
    Medical professionals also raised doubts about Colorado’s mortality count.

    The Montezuma County Coroner’s Office questioned the state’s claims about certain deaths. In one instance, coroner George Deavers determined a man had died May 4 from acute alcohol poisoning — his blood-alcohol level was almost twice the minimum lethal level at 0.55.
    To Deavers’ surprise, before he signed the death certificate, the CDPHE had already added the man’s death to Colorado’s COVID-19 death toll.

    “They should have to be recording the same way I do. They have to go off the truth and facts and list it as such,” Deavers told KCNC-TV in Denver.
    He is just one of many medical professionals who have spoken out against what they said was false medical reporting.
    “The state is reporting that death as a COVID death, but our health department wanted to let people know that even though the person did have the virus, they did not die from it,” Montezuma County public information officer Vicki Shaffer told The Durango Herald.

    “Having these two systems in place has potentially created some confusion, and we apologize for that,” said Dr. Rachel Herlihy, Colorado state epidemiologist, only after the disturbing facts were brought to light.
    The state also claimed that ” it does not unilaterally change information on death certificates and does not question or try to change a physician’s diagnosis or causes-of-death determination.”

    Well, Deavers’ and the state’s claims are awfully conflicting.
    There has been widespread criticism of Democratic Gov. Jared Polis’ handling of the virus, but some were glad to see his somewhat pointed response to his health leadership.

    “What the people of Colorado want to know is not who died with COVID-19, but who died of COVID-19,” Polis said during a news conference on May 15.
    “The numbers are very close, of course,” he said. “There’s only a few cases that we’re aware of where there is some gray area. But where there is a gray area, we should always use — for reporting — the numbers that come from the physician or the coroner that actually addressed the patient or inspected the body.”
    Other state politicians, including Republican Rep. Mark Baisley, want an investigation into whether the CDPHE reported false deaths at a Centennial senior living center as coronavirus deaths, along with the mislabeled alcohol poisoning death.
    “Falsely inflating the number of deaths due to COVID-19 adversely impacts the professional reputation of nursing homes, hospitals and healthcare workers while creating undue fear for families,” Baisley wrote in a letter to 18th Judicial District Attorney George Brauchler.

    His accused Jill Ryan, executive director of the CDPHE, of possibly “falsely altering death certificates.”
    Polis said the effort to hold the CDPHE accountable was “completely inappropriate.”
    However, when a government agency is found to be deceptive over and over again, whether accidental or otherwise, I find it not only extremely appropriate but also prudent to get to the truth.
    If life-altering policies are being created based on these numbers, then having accurate numbers reported is beyond critical. Whether the figures are being inflated or undercounted, the repercussions could be serious.

    Colorado is not alone in lowering COVID-19 death counts. Other states, including Pennsylvania and New Jersey, also have had to remove deaths from their tallies.
    The data should be straightforward, but they have been shown not to be in a growing number of cases. And why is this? That is the multitrillion-dollar question at this point.
    What do inflated COVID deaths give politicians and top organizations? Power to control the narratives, societal procedures and ultimately almost every aspect of people’s lives.
    The establishment media has been filled with leftists claiming the virus would potentially kill us all. Now that this hype is being tampered down by instances of states lowering numbers, their fear-mongering narrative isn’t quite as effective.

    This is positive news with our country opening back up.
    Colorado’s lowered coronavirus tally shows us that if more states follow suit, national mortality rates could be significantly reduced as well.

    SO IF THIS HAPPENED HERE... HOW MANY MORE " DEATHS" ARE BEING ATTRIBUTED TO COVID THAT REALLY HAVE NO TIES TO THE VIRUS?

    Hmmmm just like the "dead voters" in one county of PA.... INFLATE the numbers to make the situation even worse!!
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    ‘Deaths of despair’: Docs warn dire lockdown consequences, say suicides outpacing covid deaths in California

    Doctors are seeing higher levels of “despair” and an “unprecedented” spike in suicides as governors continue to keep coronavirus-related ‘stay-at-home’ orders in place, while states that have eased restrictions are seeing declines overall in death rates.
    In an interview with Fox News’ Tucker Carlson, network health contributor Dr. Marc Siegel, an associate professor of medicine at the NYU Langone Medical Center, said “lockdowns don’t work” after a virus has already spread throughout the country, as debate over whether and how quickly to reopen states continues.
    “Lockdowns don’t work if there is already a lot of virus in the area, in the community, in the state, the country,” Siegel said.
    The medical professor then referenced a “shocking” study released Wednesday by JP Morgan that found states and countries where lockdowns were put in place actually had higher rates of coronavirus cases than regions that remained open throughout the COVID-19 pandemic.

    JPMorgan has a devastating piece arguing that infection rates have declined — not increased — in states where lockdowns have ended, “even after allowing for an appropriate measurement lag.” (Kolonavic)




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    Same goes for various countries, adds JPM. “This means that the pandemic and COVID-19 likely have its own dynamics unrelated to often inconsistent lockdown measures that were being implemented..”






    “South Dakota, which was never locked down, has had almost no cases over the last several days,” Siegel said.



    “In Hong Kong … they have a very ineffective government. You know why they have been able to do so well with only four deaths from COVID-19? Because the people behaved,” he continued. “They knew how to do social distancing. It wasn’t locking down. Locking down definitely doesn’t make the problem better … if there is already a lot of virus.”
    The medical expert urged governors to quickly lift restrictions on movement and businesses and reopen their states to prevent more “deaths of despair.”
    “You know what locking down does? Locking down destroys our health care system to the point where we have more heart attacks [in patients] that are not going to the hospital now,” he said. “More strokes that are not going to the hospital now. More cancer that is not being screened. People say they are afraid to go to the emergency room right now.”
    He added: “Suicide, drug abuse, alcoholism, there are going to be more deaths of despair than from the virus itself.”


    Siegel’s warning echos those of emergency room doctors at a hospital in California, who say they are seeing far more suicides than they are deaths from coronavirus under the state’s stay-at-home order.
    In an interview with a local ABC affiliate, Dr. Mike deBoisblanc, chief of trauma at John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek, in the East Bay region of San Francisco Bay Area, said he’s seen a “year’s worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks.”


    “We’ve never seen numbers like this, in such a short period of time,” he said, adding that mental health suffering is so off-the-charts that he’s calling for an end to the lockdowns.
    “Personally, I think it’s time,” deBoisblanc said. “I think, originally, this (the shelter-in-place order) was put in place to flatten the curve and to make sure hospitals have the resources to take care of COVID patients. We have the current resources to do that and our other community health is suffering.”
    Kacey Hansen, a trauma nurse who’s worked at John Muir Medical Center for more than three decades, also told the local ABC affiliate that suicides are at an unprecedented level.
    National public health group Well Being Trust noted in a study this week that as many as 75,000 Americans could die from alcohol or drug misuse along with suicide as a result of the negative social and economic side effects of pandemic policies.
    “Undeniably policymakers must place a large focus on mitigating the effects of COVID. However, if the country continues to ignore the collateral damage—specifically our nation’s mental health—we will not come out of this stronger,” warned Benjamin Miller, the group’s chief strategy officer.

    Back in March, President Donald Trump warned that suicides would likely spike due to economic toll pandemic-related shutdowns would take on the country.


    “You’re going to lose a number of people to the flu, but you’re going to lose more people by putting a country into a massive recession or depression,” the president said. “You’re gonna lose people. You’re gonna have suicides by the thousands.”
    In another appearance, Trump added, “I’m talking about where people suffer massive depression, where people commit suicide, where tremendous death happens… I mean, definitely would be in far greater numbers than the numbers that we’re talking about with regard to the virus.”
    In a March 24 tweet, the president noted, famously now, that the “cure can’t be worse than the problem.”

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    Our people want to return to work. They will practice Social Distancing and all else, and Seniors will be watched over protectively & lovingly. We can do two things together. THE CURE CANNOT BE WORSE (by far) THAN THE PROBLEM! Congress MUST ACT NOW. We will come back strong!

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    News outlets attempted to “fact-check” the president including ABC News, who found one ‘expert’ to refute Trump’s claims by stating that deaths go down during economic recessions.
    “If you were to look across all the current causes of death in a recession, you would see that the number of deaths actually declines. Heart deaths from heart disease fall. Deaths from motor vehicle accidents crashes fall,” said Richard Dunn, associate professor of Agricultural and Resource Economics at the University of Connecticut.

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